" At the same time, without considering the actual 4-hand pace, we might fall into the mistake to take any single W or, worse, any single L as a valuable trigger to consider our options. If this should be the case, the game wouldn't exist at all."

Absolutely true.  I think I just touched on this a few minutes ago. 

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11429.msg70321;topicseen#msg70321

IMO, following any set protocol will possibly even you out if you win, however the loss factor will most likely  outweigh the profitability factor by large amounts.

Thanks.

The biggest wins come from winning.
The largest losses come from Losing.

Simply there are times you can win and times you cannot.

You can win because the cards are forming hands you expect, believe in, witnessed before and more. I just prefer to call that anticipations, with the '4's'.

PREDICTION
FORECAST
EXPECTING
HOPE

You cannot win because the cards are forming hands you do not expect, believe in, never witnessed before and more or you seriously do not think will happen and more.

Extreme focus, no emotion on losing hands and risk only the risk capital buy in which is a percentage of your bank roll. Do not keep buying in and do not keep chasing or engaging in other wild fallacies of just getting even, because most likely you'll drain your bank roll and you then engage yourself in the extremely unfair chance of getting even, never mind making a profit for the session.

Now, once again I push the M.M.M. techniques that I have preached, because they will truly manage your wins and playtime if you absolutely follow them. I have found countless times that there is a huge advantage you afford yourself for wagering according to my M.M.M., with your win money/profit for many reasons.

If you regularly wager a negative press progression (Marty) or you believe flat-betting will lead to recovery and/or profitability, you might as well skip all of this and get into a casino and make your large amounts of money. You will then be accomplishing what has been attempted trillions of times, and simply does not and has never worked more than a session here or there.

But if you really desire to find a decent wagering method that has control built into it, the following has done extremely well for me over the past years.

1-3-2-6 or 1-3-2-4.  Coupled with my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd, application of your separated wins and playing that out.

One final thought. Something else you must realize and use to your advantage. The mind plays tricks, the mind invents things and you believe them as actually happening or happened in the past. Think about it and think hard.

Apply yourself with advantages and be smart.

Thanks for reading.

Caesar's and The Bellagio for myself. 

I agree about Red Rock, nice place 15 mins straight west of the strip.

Palace Station was a great place a few years ago, don't know what's happening now, but I think they have between 12-20/bac tables and 10k limits. Low mins.

An insight to what a group of hi-tech monkeys do in their spare time.

They try to figure out why humans call 10 cards 'Monkeys'.  Serious, they do.  Here is a pic of their offices. 

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As you said, "mainly as many casinos won't allow bets higher than $20.000".

For serious play, it is worth going to, Rivers Casino in Des Plaines, Illinois has between 24-30 baccarat tables and the majority are at $10.00 minimum with a max at $100,000.00. 

Shoes will almost always (KEYWORD ALMOST) always equal out. But it is very easy to have swings of + or -10 and + or -20, in favor of one side or the other.  Use it to your advantage when it is happening as well as, right after it subsided.

For some reason it will run quickly up to 10 and reach a high of 20. At rare times it will go beyond 20, but not very often.

As a mean norm it will be right around the + or -10 count. Usually this will occur in the 1/3 to 1/2 area of the shoe, and hands 25 - 50's.

The correction (equaling out) will come either slowly or on occasion quickly. Here is an example of what I am referring to, that happened the other night. The players were ahead and the banker pulled the correction to equal itself out.

1s, 2s, 3s and a single 4. 

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Then it happens.

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27 Players to 17 Bankers at hand 44.

And very often the dominant side that will lessen up, once it does, will usually win with only one or two hands only at a time. While the side that will catch up, usually does so in twos, threes, fours and occasionally fives, more than any other combinations.

In the example given, the banker came back super strong, with 3 Fortune 7's, both of the back the back ties were natural 8s and natural 9s, and there was also one three card players 0 with the banker having a three card 9, for a dragon bonus of 30 to 1.  A complete and super dominant second half by the side that was weak prior.

3 to 5 Sections with Turning Points in all shoes.  Sections are the amount of hands. Turning Points are the beginning and end of Sections. As a mean average, 15-25 hands within a Section.

It's a given, not a choice or a desired marking point.

IMO and that of some very very experienced bac players, all recognize and attempt to focus on Sections with their Turning Points.  Wagering heavy, large and consistently on whatever is winning (any pattern/trends/presentments that you can identify and side with) is the absolute key in the game of baccarat. The skill comes about in advance mode for a player when he cuts down or stops wagering after repetitious wins within the Section before or immediately after it's Turning Point. Do not get attached or believe what just happened, has to or will happen again. And that's where a lot of us including myself gets sucked in occasionally. If you do, you will certainly give back your winnings and seriously hurt your buy in and/or your bank roll. 

Anything and everything can happen in a shoe of baccarat. Nothing much duplicates itself all the time (but when it does that is the time to bet heavy and hard until it stops), but then on the other hand occasionally it does. One thing for sure, nothing will ever have a trigger and be declared a winning hand every time (or well over 50% in every shoe), in real baccarat, the way the highest amount of new forum members are so in search of. 

The highest majority, and I am talking about the extreme upper 90 percentile of the so called forum experts (actually drama specialists) preach off the cuff using their own secret formulas without any real results.  Guess their work was accomplished on the WoV or other similar free baccarat games.  Then once in awhile one surfaces writing numerous books such as Stephen Tabone, entering the forums with an 'A-Alpha' demeanor, coupled with endorsements by dozens of sock puppets (same exact IP addresses confirmed), etc.  Oh well, BTW don't forget the ultra combative experts that also contradict everything anyone basically posts while claiming they conquered the game of bac wagering sums as high as $15.00 and $25.00 a hand.  The kicker to it all is, when one posts real pictures at real tables with real score boards and real chips, they are accused of lying. 

Later, tme to watch All In The Family on TV.

There are people claiming to be so-called experts on many other forums, that are talking about table games proof of winnings and filling out 1099 and W2Gs, etc. I can't even believe that they would bring this topic up because they've done no research, they have no actual experience and they are preaching with no knowledge whatsoever and obviously no experience whatsoever. Yet they come off as well versed and experienced long term players regarding table game payouts and the reporting rules and regulations.

First of all table game wins do not and never did require a 1099 or W-2 G, never ever, as so many think they do just because slot machine wins do require them.  Table games do not even if you won $100,000.00 in one shoe and want to cash it out.  There is no reporting to the government or the IRS how much you won or lost in table games, unless you did a cash transaction of $10,000 or more.

I might throw in except for poker tournaments, not from regular day-to-day poker table play. And also it only applies to a poker tournament were more than $5,000.00 was won, after the buy in or wagered amount is deducted.

The government has IRS Form #8300, that is filled out by the casino when you buy in with an excess of $10,000.00 within the casinos 24 hour day. It is also fills out and files the same form, if you are cashing out $10,000.00 or greater within the 24 hour casino day.  Does not matter if the cash you receive amounts to winnings or if you are still in the negative.  And this can be in segments, it doesn't have to be at one time during the 24 hour casino day.

Also with the combination of buying in and cashing out. For example, you can buy in for $3,000.00, cash out $4,000.00, and buying once again with $3,100.00 within the 24 hour casino day and you will generate yourself having the form filled out by the casino.

The first time it is filled out they will ask you for your ID and Social Security number and personal information, if they don't already have it.  Every other time it is automatically done without any knowledge whatsoever by the pit personnel, cage personnel and yourself.

There are also casino discretionary limits anywhere starting from $3,000.00-$5,000.00 that also applies. The biggest deciding factor will be if you are a known player, ID & Social Security, etc. on file, with some kind of history at the casino. Otherwise they can and probably will generate one, filing it for less than $10,000.00 within their own discretion. That form is entitled an SAR Form. 

Also on a sidenote as far as casinos asking for ID when cashing out under $10,000.00 and a government form will not be generated, that is entirely at their own discretion as well within their set rules and regulations as to when they will ask for it at the cage when cashing out. Lots of smaller casinos do this after the $1,000.00/$2,000.00 mark especially if they don't recognize the player. 

As far as jackpots at table games, it has to be a 300:1 or greater payout to the wagered amount for any form to be filed with the government.

Those are the facts and I have to give a chuckle at the so called experts on the other forums claiming falsehoods and swearing by them. 

Frame of Mind.

Belief that you can beat the game and the casino, IMO is the single largest and most damaging mind-set/frame-of-mind a player can have. Because you have the wrong frame-of-mind you propel yourself into frustration and aggravation when you begin to lose (or even win and then continue your play eventually losing part or all of the win money) due to the fact you cannot face the responsibility of your own actions and being a loser.  All you do is propel yourself in destruction because of your desperate attempt to redeem yourself and save face.

Simply, you cannot tell yourself honestly, mean-it and physically absorb with positive and forward thoughts while maintaining absolute clear vision—you beat yourself and you failed.

It is not just for baccarat or gambling, it is the same for racing, marriage, dieting, etc., etc., and so on—it is the human mind, you will make every excuse and blame everything else, except yourself.  And if you did blame and manage to absorb the downfall yourself—your frame-of-mind will be so twisted and clouded with conflicting thoughts and frustration, your focus will be worse off than before you decided to decipher the reasoning and "why's and how's" of your loss, or a failure to hit a goal.

Why?  Because if you did decipher it all and realize those "why's and how's" then you begin to wager against what is rational and what will realistically be the norm or actually happen/occur.  Then the cycle, effects and results happen all over once again at even a faster and greater degenerative rate.  And you are there, sitting and gambling in the combative mode you placed yourself in to cure what you fell prey to and failed to realize.  You are physically in a conscious state—however, you are gambling with numerous sub-conscious paths and avenues controlling you and removing most of your edge, advantages, focus and visions. 

You have to alter your frame-of-mind and be 100% conscious of all the why's and how's, as well as the psychological repercussions of losses and wins and how they exactly affect yourself.  You also have to remove the affect and hurt you inflict upon yourself with total removal from your bank roll and zero dependence on profits to sustain and support every one of your necessary expenses you have in your life, IMO. Then you give yourself a much better chance to prevail at a greater rate or a consistently positive rate. 

Conflict & Reality.

Conflict has a lot to do with playing baccarat in my opinion.  Because, conflict will change your frame-of-mind and how you wager with or without your conscious thought.  And that is not good for you.  Be aware of conflict and how and why it comes about.

Conflict is the result of events, usually events that went the opposite way you wanted them to go or if you were remaining neutral but had a feeling it was going to be a result, and that result came about and others at the table began to proper nicely, conflict can also come.  Be aware.

Conflict:  Events, Comments, Situations.  The various things that lead to those three and usually opposite of what you desired or spot-on, but you were not wagering at all or cut way down in the amount of wager.

Perceived Conflict/Felt Conflict:  The perceived conflict is the logical and factual events which are based around the conflict itself.  In other words, whatever lead up to the exact point of the event.  The felt conflict is your feelings, your hostility, your hurt and other feelings when you see those winnings given to your table-mates whether you like them or not.

Factual Reaction:  Aggression, Competition, Debate, Withdrawal, Tilt.  They all happen and if you do not think so, you better take your time, look at yourself and realize they do.  Fix the problems and play better without a doubt.  We are dealing with lost money or money not rightfully earned here and it gets emotional, admit it or not.  Once you do, you can fix it for the most part.  I have narrowed it down to 5 parts at the baccarat table.

Aggression

Competition

Debate

Withdrawal

Tilt

Agreement or Defeat:  We tend to enter into agreement with others that we do or even do not normally agree with at the table, depending on how they are doing at various times.  Follow your own thoughts, rules, beliefs, protocols, etc., sometimes win everything you touch, and other times lose.  Follow others that are winning or going against them when they are losing, works as well sometimes and other times it blows up in your face.  And that is exactly why following or going against someone else is disaster waiting to happen.  Because, IMO you will blame them and not yourself.  You will blame them for their mistakes and that event will launch you even further into frustration and confusion.  So be careful and realize when camaraderie and team-work is beneficial.  If you must ask, you will not use it the correct way anyway.  Using it as a crutch or a catch-all, is not the proper way.

Putting it all Together:  Realize what is happening, why you are making the decisions you are.  Are those decision from the cards, the shoe, the events themselves?  Or, are they from the results you have deduced down from the other people there playing at the table?  Huge difference and huge consequences will come about.  I promise you that.  Learn how and why you do things at the table, you will help yourself to better, clearer decisions and being better focused and dealing with the events as they should be.

 Interpretation Alters the Reality With the Game Of Baccarat

By: Alrelax/Glen.

Each shoe is a series of events, and with each event we attach a meaning. With each event we decide upon an interpretation and then we believe what we just interpreted and rely on that for the next matching event. It is with these interpretations or attached meanings that we define what will happen and how we will wager. Then we go about collecting evidence to confirm and validate these interpretations and merge them into our gaming plan and strategy.  Which normally causes the highest majority of people to lose much more than they win.

The baccarat shoe is a series of events, and with each event we attach a meaning. With each event we decide upon an interpretation. It is with these interpretations or meanings and definitions we attach to them, that we define when and what to wager with the grand plan to win money. Then when we do win with those, we convince ourselves of the evidence to confirm and validate those interpretations our great minds have finally found and substantiated.

In truth, each event you experience within a shoe of baccarat, might or might not repeat itself nearly the same or more frustrating, exactly the opposite. It is the interpretation of the events that shape your thought process and how you view what you just sat through. In other words, it is not what happened in the shoe that made the difference, it was what you decided about what happened and how it happened, that made all the difference. It was what you decided caused or did not come about, that affected your decision-making process. You just became a victim of your own interpretations, your own narrative, you own realization of the game of baccarat. You became fixed in your experience and continued to feed the events with further interpretations that shaped all your beliefs, which then compelled you to act them out even if it was detrimental to yourself and your bank roll. Because after all, you found all of this, your ego and money are at stake and you cannot be wrong, everyone else is.  Of course, no?  You will not chastise yourself, you will not admit you do not know, you will not realize for many years of playing baccarat that the game will produce exactly what you discovered, did not discover and in no particular order whatsoever.  All that happens is you maintain hope because at times you get it correct and most all people will with greater volume, get it completely wrong.

It is from this realm of interpretation that your reality of the game of baccarat was shaped, ground into your thought process and interpreted by yourself as a beatable, easy game that is just there waiting for suckers that do not know what you have discovered.

It may have appeared that events you have discovered and highlighted within the game of baccarat are either distinct from each other or similar.  That you move your wagers from one to another, separated by some degree of special knowledge you claim fame to. From this point of view, things seem not to be random any longer to you, just leading you to win after win and reinforcing the interpretation you have formed and now believe.  And that my friend is how we get sucked in.  No matter the experience or not, receiving free money and winning will play with your mind at the table.  Some say no, but the reality is, it most certainly will.

Now if you were to take a step back and really look at the game with an open mind and some distance, you will see the totality of the game as it really is and not as a single flowing event. If you step back further, you will see that the game will produce anything and everything in no particular order.  You have a right and ability to harness and experience whatever you do believe with the game of baccarat. That belief can only take place from experience and not from computer technology to figure out what will or will not show up over hundreds of thousands or millions or hands.  This awareness alone is tremendously valuable, yet so few believe it.  They are convinced the game is based on numbers and numbers will govern the game to a balance that they can certainly be figured out.  Sorry, it cannot and will never happen that way.  But pursue what you desire and find out for yourself.

When you make the distinction between the event and the interpretation of the event, you will begin to operate from awareness -- that in each moment and event is an infinite field of possible reactions and responses. You choose. And whatever choice you make will cause and direct all your future experiences, which will be your interpretations of the game you formed.  You will no longer see the game of baccarat as it is presented, you will only see what you have interpreted as the game of baccarat.  And that my friend is the real dangerous part.  That part will cause you to capitalize on some of the game sometimes and when the real opportunity presents itself, you will certainly miss it because that opportunity will certainly not match your interpretation of the game you have formed.

Forget about interpretation.  Interpretation of the game of baccarat will not prove profitable to the player.  It will confuse you and misalign you with your false beliefs.

View the baccarat shoe as one seamless limited event with Sections and Turning Points, that brings into focus of how important all single moments are and not repetitive and/or scheduled, because they are not.  In these moments you have the power to transform your wagering into something that could prove profitable and redundant to a certain point. This moment is there to be capitalized on with your recognition and experience, not your interpretation of a baccarat shoe.  Part of its ceaseless flow, its limitless potential, will occur sporadically during moments offering you an infinite realm of possibilities.

Only in being of the frame of mind that does not rely on interpretation of unknown events, you will allow yourself to recognize certain shoe presentments when it is presenting certain Sections and Turning Points, no longer based on negative interpretations and the past. This is the essence of playing a shoe that can and will produce anything and everything no matter how frequent or rare the event might be.

That is why it is so important to learn to, be in the moment, in order to experience the genius of yourself, who you really are and what a baccarat shoe can and might  present. No doubt there is a bigger picture out there; it is up to you to master the art of the no interpretation and the reality of baccarat.

Make sure all of your information and beliefs come from Proper Foundation.

And as always I'm talking about real casino gambling.  I'm not talking about kitchen table researching or forum drama. I'm talking about the decision making process with real money in a brick and mortar casino.  I'm talking about how you should be making decisions and arriving at your wagers. 

Proper Foundation. Meaning, not from emotional reflections or attempt to discredit and combat chatter on the forums, or junk sources such as systems sellers and YouTube infomercials etc.  And the sad part about picking up your information and believing upon it from those sources, is a very dangerous road. If you happen to get some of your wagers correct you'll have a false foundation that will set in and do a great amount of damage to any possibility you have to be on the correct road and make serious profits.

Onwards, there are three elements that must be adhered to in order to form Proper Foundation.

AUTHENTICITY - RELIABILITY - RELEVANCE

Authenticity.  The content of the information not coming from emotional reflections. Forum-based drama and of course system sellers and infomercials. Most of all, not biased based broadcast by a prejudice source.

Reliability.  Be able to recognize the information into real-time stability and consistency, that is virtually or near free from errors.

Relevance.  The comparison of the information within reliability to the actual game itself as well as your wagering style and results. Relating to timeliness, comparability and the understandability of it.

Most Important.  You must follow simple and strict perseverance, self discipline and in complete reality to remain within the guidelines of the information. THINK!