The majority of the tables here are no vig, non commissioned baccarat. 

EZ bac, 5 Treasures bac (5 Treasures available in both commission and non commission) and others etc.

Among all the things, after years and years of playing, I do believe there's a player side advantage more so than a banker side advantage. I am not gonna get into the math statistics about the hundreds of thousands or millions of shoes tested with bankers side having a slight advantage, as it has been proven repetitively it does not apply when you pull out the chair and get up to the felt and putting your money on the table.

99% of all players lack the patience to adhere to any trigger or presentation series appearing. They will literally and physically crash and burn as they think they can wait between sections to offer them the ideal wagering chance they developed and proven or they subscribe to from a reliable source that is players or bankers or any combination profitable better than 50% of the time. Once you get over that, you can read on because if you believe in what I just said YOU WILL NEVER make money and retain your profits.

Especially those 2-3-4 hand ultra player positive, mini forward progression wagers, that almost always win type of bets. There are not many of them, where even multiple shoes are played, just be conscious of that and remember just that all the time. To play is not a relaxing event, it is a stressful and a serious time to focus and stay focused and not sit back and wait for one opportunity. There is a saying and you better adhere to it. That is, "when it's there it's there".

Most all people create a huge problem for themselves by judging their courses of action or others by the outcomes, often irrespective of the decision making process. It really takes planning, foresight and a solid base to adhere to and get what you really want because what you want may not quickly fall onto you or in front of you at the table.

You have to judge decisions you are making on the process rather than immediate outcomes. Because if you judge it on the outcomes, you falling sucker to the board at the casino installed for you to follow by and you will not make money by it. The board does not make the presentations, it records them the shoe makes the presentations before the board records it.  Think about that and remember that if nothing else.

Don't get me wrong you can't totally ignore or push aside clear results and the outcomes that is positive or negative, just use it to improve or change the course if needed. Here is a fantastic shoe that happened last night with ultra positive player presentations that out did the bankers in every way whatsoever for better than the first half of the shoe.  The sad part of it is, only a couple people made money and the rest of the lost huge amounts of money.   The losing people were all reciting the famous words, 'bankers is stronger than the players and all the other fallacy believes about baccarat' and failing to simply follow sections and presentations with a focus on randomness and variance that works in unaccountable and uncontrollable ways. 

Shoe from 11-27-2021:

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I took several pics of the board, don't know why the above one is a bit blurred and the word text inserted,  but I will post another one of the first half below this.

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Remember Asym, remember KFB, when I claim 0-1-2-3 ties hold their presentation presentments.  Also almost every time the players had a natural the bankers had 1 point less, players natural 8 bankers 7, players natural 9 bankers natural 8.  Also those last five naturals for the players had everyone on bankers, super heavy bets and I mean almost everyone was table max bet on bankers, wiped them all out.  And these are not billionaires, they are small business owners or regular working people with $40-$50-$60k bank rolls.  I mean I witnessed at least $300,000.00 going into the racks of the casino from the pockets of the people that subscribe to the fallacy, that it has to cut next hand. 

If you had a couple thousand to risk, this was an easy shoe to make $10k, give back $2k, make another $10k and give back $2k, make $15 to $20k and give back $4k and make another $10k and give back $4k before walking.

Just two things most don't possess playing the game.

1)  Self control and the willingness to get up a winner and walk away.

2)  A proper M.M.M. USING 1/3rds as the key guideline.

Also count the total players and bankers hands and remember what I said, wrote about and claimed reference the + -10 to the + -20 configuration after half way or a bit greater.  To me, it is the single most valuable tool a baccarat player can learn. 

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You said:

" It's a sure fact that casinos will make tons of money from baccarat tables as players cannot realize how many bets are placed into the 'negative territory' (almost always by improperly increasing the wagers) and how many bets are placed into the 'positive territory' by low or too low amounts.

The math edge is just a 'booster' for casinos and not the main cause for they are collecting millions from baccarat"

Which a whole lot and I do mean a whole lot of casino patrons have no real clue as to what the real odds or house advantages are at any given table at the time they buy in and begin their play. 

Also, I don't care what at any math nut claims, those numbers do not apply to me because I am only going to play 20 or 30 or 40 hands out of 2 or 3 or even more shoes. 

A second also is, those numbers come from (if done correctly) millions of hands.  Not 25 or 100 or 200 and so on.

So if I sit down and lose my buy in within 20 hands, I did not lose 1.06% on the Banker or whatever's being claimed these days, I lost 100%.  As well, if I lost  I never had a 99% chance to win.  I had a 100% chance to lose.  There, fuel for the math nuts to talk how stupid we are here.

The sad story comes on as patrons choose so often to believe those math nut's numbers.

You need to be acclimated to Drawdowns and accept they are a part of almost every session.

Drawdown what is it?

It is technically the amount of money you lose before you start drawing of profit from your buy in.

First.  When does it occur. It can be in the very beginning of your session or it can equally be in the middle or towards the end, when you are on your last few wagers before exhausting your buy in money.  Drawdown can happen at any time. The only time it will not happen is if you win in the very beginning and keep winning and cash out never losing any of your buy in.

Second.  In my opinion it should only be viewed with the amount in front of you. Not collectively from previous sessions or running tallies, etc.

Third. Again in my opinion the Drawdown must not be viewed and compared to previous Drawdowns either. The presentments are different and there is no reason to compare. You have to remember Drawdowns fluctuate and will always fluctuate with no rhythm and no reason to attempt to define anything more than what I just said. They are completely random and will always be random.

Fourth.  Emotions, pressure and other feelings will be triggered within yourself that will not and cannot be avoided. You tell yourself you will not let the pressure and anything else get to you, but it will. The larger the Drawdown the greater and more intense those feelings will be. Be ultra conscious of that, stop getting sucked in.

Fifth.  Do not confuse Drawdown with Stop-Loss. Many will fail to see the difference but there really is. Drawdown is an undetermined, unplanned amount of money that will be lost before you realize a profit that is within your horizon of, "winning this session and it is time for me to stop", thought and belief. A better way to describe it is, you realize your buy in is your risk money and you will play until you win or lose and you are not doing what some people do, which is ridiculously sit down say with $1,000 and if you lose $300 you're done. Or if you lose say 3 or 5 wagers, your done, etc.  All that does is put an undue amount of pressure on you, because you have money there you are saying you're not willing to wager and you cannot wager and you have to make money on a certain percentage of it. Trust me it's a huge negative in sitting down at the table.

Stop Loss is simply like I said, a set amount of money if you lose out of your buy in money you will stop playing, no leeway, no questions asked.  That is if it's truly a set Stop Loss amount.

Realize that there will be fluctuating Drawdowns at any time prior to winning a decent amount of money or getting a profit, that you had in mind and one that you have to risk on a continual basis. Allow it to be so and you will take off a lot of pressure and a lot of frustration from your frame of mind in handling your money at the table.

Reference #6.

Probably a great topic for itself that very few even think about.

THE. DRAWDOWN

There is most definitely a drawdown the highest majority of times in your buy in at the table prior to any real profit coming your way.  You have to figure in and calculate the loss and the impact to your buy in as you wager to survive the drawdown harm.

Again, not a stop loss but a conscious and expected drawdown of your buy in prior to your profit section coming your way.

Baccarat in the Twin Cities is either Canterbury on the south end or Running Aces on the north end. 

Canterbury has two tables going which are the larger style tables like 9 or 10 people can be seated. 

Running Aces has the more traditional ones but they are the higher style rather than the standard lower baccarat height table.  Running Aces has 5 or 6 tables all the time and a bit more baccarat action because the Twin Cities has more Asians in the northern suburbs than the south ones.

But both casinos you can place up to three $300.00 wagers if no one is occupying the seats.  Or, you can place your chips up to the $300 per spot max for as many people are playing.  Say 6 other players have $50.00 each on their spots.  You can place $250.00 on as many as you want.  Also you can wager banker with your $250 even if they had their wager on players. 

Also you can wager $25.00 for $1,000 win on Fortune 7 or $25.00 for a $625 win on Panda.  You can also wager as many spots with no limit on those two wagers that are unoccupied or up to the $25 limit if someone else is wagering on a spot.

Yes the Twin Cities sees a lot of baccarat action.

For some reason Mystic Lake has never had baccarat.

Last sentence says it all.  That is, for the absolute real live serious player.

Which was: " The fact that it's very very difficult to win 3 or 4 shoes in a row means that things change in way or another, otherwise casinos would be out of business."

100% spot on.  Real life at the felt. 

I will post several new brick & mortar shoes soon. 

And small cards favor the players side more so than the bankers side so many times.

Also smaller third cards are receipted by the players side and once again benefiting them or outright winning the hand without a third card draw for the bankers side. 

Exactly.  "Even though general probabilities dictate that everything is possible, heterogeneous distributions cannot happen for long along each portion of the shoe. As card ranks are asymmetrically distributed along the shoe."

Match that up with.  "Alrelax is completely right about his 'sections' way of thinking
the game.  Some sections of the shoe are playable, most part of them aren't.
I would add that some shoes are unplayable no matter what."

Each section must be viewed and partially wagered independently without total reliance upon the previous sections.  Unless there are long streaks and a large total unbalance of winnings hands in your current section. 

Great post above. Super great in fact.

But I have deduced down over the years, it appears the highest majority of people believe more in their own desires and/or their own bad experiences then from the truth of another person.

And that my friend is heavily in the casinos favor and totally against the person playing on the felt.

I will post a shoe later where the entire dealers rack was emptied.

When its being presented, it generally does not line up with the mathematical 'should be'. IMO anyways.

Remember shoes like the one I am posting, these do happen and these are huge money makers for some and money takers for most.

ITLR will kill and swallow bankrolls without a chance to catch up, most times.

Almost everything in life and life's path has turned into a business or became primarily about money in almost every way, IMO.

Below are 19 short topics that I got into a discussion the other day with a few baccarat players at one of the casinos. People I've known for quite some time and respect. A few of the topics, I have written about and included  one way or another in my threads. Here they are.

1)  Extremely intelligent people tend to be correct about a greater amount of things than others. However there is an interesting flip side to that coin when they are wrong they are much harder on themselves to Let It Go and search for the correct protocol. Because they are so much better at coming up with answers, jurisdictions and results as a truth, they believe that the real ttuth is not actually the truth and they are hurting themselves, which stands true in pursuit of profiting at the game of baccarat. So the standard double edged sword turns out to be a triple edge super sharp sword to themselves, especially in gambling.

1-A)  Most all people start out with good intentions comprised from Rationalization, Research and Reasoning.  Something I call the 3 R's.  What most fail to realize up front and usually for quite sometime, is that all of their 3 R's will not continuously and consistently match the presentments at the baccarat table.

2)  The actual play.  Diversity Wins.  Inclusion Matters.  Make it a Mosaic.  Excellence comes in all Hues & Stripes.

3)  Building and believing in a continual pattern or trend is 100 percent the #1 wrong approach to baccarat.

4)  Playing for an 'upcoming' streak is extremely dangerous to your bankroll.  Probably the #2 mistake made in the game of baccarat.

5)  You cannot, "Beat the game" of baccarat.  Meaning you will never find a trigger that will continuously win or one above the 50 percentile mark anyway.  Never ever.

6)  You have to Lose to Win.

7)  If you are not there playing you cannot win.

  #8)  You cannot change what is going to be presented.

9)  Winnings, and capitalization on your winnings will always result in the fact, 'time will take away your advantages'.

10)  Waiting out shoes, backfire the highest majority of the time because you are second-guessing and watching 'wins' go by and then when a short section does appear you are not 'in' the game, your successions are highly affected in numerous ways that will generally give you only disadvantages.

11)  Attempting to prove you are right, prove you're innocent with "stay strong" theories will bankrupt you many times over.

12)  Wisdom and thoughts do not translate into making money on your terms.

13)  The Drive. You wind up saying, "This cannot be happening to me". Something that most all players do, but seldom realizing what is happening.

14)  What you wind up doing, is to simply betray yourself. Inflicting betrayal upon yourself adds up to hardcore continual losses.

15)  Almost never realizing what the real focus needs to be at the table and the importance of remaining totally conscious in neutrality, rather than feeding into the numerous downfalls of the game.

16)  The downfalls of the game are parallel to wishful thinking, with tons of fallacy.

17)   Employing a Stop Loss and a Stop Win, without a complete money management method that will only frustrate, confuse and make most all players go down the wrong roads.

18)   Anticipation and Desire.  Be careful of those two.  They will play on you, whether you are at the casino or off property.  Don't allow your desires and thoughts to overwhelm and hamper your playing consciousness which can and probably will change your wagering decisions for the worse at the table.

19)   Sections, Plateaus and Levels.  Understand what they are and what yours are as well.  We all have them, yet very few baccarat players are even conscious about them.  I have explained them in detail on the board here.