"Are we wrong? Good, casinos have plenty of money to challenge us. LOL."

Casinos are there all the time, 24/7/365 never moving, waivering, being scared or shutting down because players are winning too much at baccarat. 

We beat ourselves.  What the highest majority of all players fail to realize is, that random will always be random and the game is 100% random, if you are attempting to figure it out with a mechanical wagering triggered plan, based on statistics of any kind.  It is just that one can jump on a definable and exploitable section or series of hands in the gamblers favor.

How the player builds up his win and how he holds it (if he does), is totally up to him, not the casino or the game.  Therefore, most all players beat themselves ITLR.  And I am talking about darn close to 99% of all players.

Quotealrelax:
"...My friend is there right now, he wagered $1,500 on first, full parlay on second, full parlay on third and then pulled down 6 times $6,000 wagers.  Lost the last one to the Natural 9 players win.  So he won $36k...."

    I like your friends full parlays early in the W streak. Its my belief if one chooses to do a pospro one must press early /often. The compounding on say hits number 4th,5th,6th,..10th,....etc is a direct function of what was compounded between wager#1 and wager#2.

??What was your friends buyin for the $1500 base unit??

Full explanation in my thread here:

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11747.msg72223;topicseen#msg72223

FYI.  $50 min to $20,000 on main floor and many tables at The Palms are NO COMMISSION.

The table shown is $50 min.  $20k max (this is a live pic texted to me after my friend's win).  Note the 9 iar bankers.  My friend is there right now, he wagered $1,500 on first, full parlay on second, full parlay on third and then pulled down 6 times $6,000 wagers.  Lost the last one to the Natural 9 players win.  So he won $36k.  He caught 5 doubles out of 6 wagers, profiting another $25k.  Walked away with $55k losing $6k attempting three more wagers at $2k each.

I tried to enhance the sharpness as much as possible to show the limits.  $50 min, $20,000 max and $3,000 max on tie. 

This is Vegas and off strip has better action by far these days.  I will post these in my thread now and comment.

Stand corrected, it is not EZ, but it is 5 Treasures bac.  They do have other bac versions available, probably about 20 tables.

Anyways there are numerous properties outside of  Chicago. 

There is one with extremely high, no pressure, table max limits of $100k.  Depending on day, will determine the min wager but that is never more than $100 and usually a lot less.  Definitely less than Vegas HR rooms. 

Used to be in Vegas for 'Off The Street", no front money or large credit accounts of hundreds of thousands of dollars, the limits were either:

$50-100/$10,000
$200/$15,000
$300/$20,000
$300-500/$25,000

Those were at the larger places, Bellagio, Wynn, Caesar's, etc. 

"Off The Street", means you can walk up, no money deposited to determine special limits, no credit lines, etc.  Unlike Vegas which to the best of my knowledge, you would need at least 20-25 times deposited or credit line, to wager whatever it is you want over $25k or at other casinos over $10k max limits, etc.

Yes you are correct.  And correct about Vegas.  But there are plenty of other 25/50/100 min-$10k tables in US. 

There is also "Off The Street", (no front money) $25 min to $100k (yes $100,000.00) max outside the Chicago area.  And it is mostly EZ. 

But so many jurisdictions having commission free.  Love-Hate with the F7 wager, but I have done well with it. 

"but one side is payed 1:1 and the other one 0.95:1."

Are all tables commissioned in Europe? 

Most all the tables I play on, even those with $10,000 and up max wagering, are non commission Banker side these days.

"Q wouldn't this favor P as P would prefer NOT to draw a third card since then B may be allowed to exercise its option(i.e., to draw or not to draw). E.G. lets say there are more 8/9 cards remaining and we see BPB_ , wager P??".


I believe you will disagree with me, but I have found at live B&M games, that say a greater amount of 8/9s are remaining, it does not matter and there is no advantage to either side. 

Sure there could be for less than 50% of the times, but there is no order dictatorship appointed.  P could get an 8/9 and their second card could be an A-2-3-4-5-6 just as easily.  And B could get another 8/9 with a F-8-9 as well. 

I have noticed, with no records kept, when repeated 7-8-9s whether natural wins or not for the P, the B will have a greater chance to win the following hand.  And again, not a guarantee or a systematic trigger by any means. 

There's not a single book, not a single research paper, not a detailed audited video of a series, etc., etc.,  that will show guaranteed and systematic wins.  PERIOD.  There is none, never have been—never will be, none, zero, zip, zilch, nada!

There are numerous clowns and goons that say, post and attempt to sell systems pretending that they repeatedly prevail winning within the game. And there are just as many that will post garbage and attempt to sidetrack any reasonable factual and truthful people posting. Sad but true. 

What I said is all easily searchable but the Internet is the Internet and countless will be overtaken by the virtual lies and made up fairytales that people tell and the ones on YouTube are pretty darn attractive I will admit.

There most certainly is opportunity on the baccarat table. Not one doubt, but you must have some kind of knowledge of the game, common sense and have the stomach to risk money. But you must understand there is winning and losing and have a concrete money management method that will work for you and give you an advantage.

And let's all remember those countless people posting, "wait for this or that" and then "wager so-and-so on such and such". LOL, guaranteed losing propositions, but once again, the Internet is the Internet.

What about all those with their triggers, they are claiming nearly 100% or even 80-90%.  And all with their justification so systematically laid out. Looks like research, looks like experienced and advantaged secretive play, and so many other things to the person stumbling upon it. My response?  Fantasy and fallacy. 

And those that say to watch and watch and wager only a wager or two or three with some kind of small stop loss amount.  My response?  Well here it is. Uneventful failure is not a success. Because you do not lose you cannot justify not winning with success, it is a catastrophic failure of play. 

Do you want to do something to give yourself some type of advantage? You have to focus on winning. Realizing your buy-in is risk and understand how to turn your risk into profit.

Be Careful, Be Smart, Be Advantaged!

I caught a rare glimpse of Waldo at a gas station near the casino he works at early this morning.  Told me he just got off pulling 2 shifts straight. 

Here is a pic of his truck!  Gotta Love It!

5 Things:

One MUST UNDERSTAND IN EXTREME DETAIL the ability to identify situations presented by a shoe.

Understand that hands change value with no rhythm, rhyme or reason, as well as possibly follow rhythm, rhyme and reason.

One MUST TAKE ADVANTAGE when the shoe is presenting hands that fit anything that can be deciphered by the player.

One must leave a winner if he has won anything sizable by employing a concrete MMM without deviation.

One must never say, "I'll win it back tomorrow or next session".

NOTE:  UNLIKE SO MANY BELIEVE, THERE IS NO RIGHT AND WRONG IF YOU ARE WINNING HANDS.  YOU ARE SIMPLY WINNING.  THINK ABOUT THAT STATEMENT.  Why did I say that??  Because when a player consciously thinks he was 'right' on a winning hand, he begins to wager for what he just won and then he enters a mean and vicious cycle once he losses a repetitive wager.

"The shoe does not produce what a player desires".  Old school Confucius saying. 

Your last words within your response were, "pressing positive or negative situations are just for losers."

True, but only if one continuously applies that approach.  Do not blankety say that.  One can quite handsomely make large profits by employing a quick and short positive heavy progression if one can also employ self control, IMO. 

The table does not talk to us, the table does not give us hints, clues or even sarcastic remarks. The table remains silent, always, 24-7-365. But, however I do, and probably the highest majority of us have a very unique bond with the table.

The table has attraction, and an attraction different than most people can realize or even put into words that most people would never understand. That table never really changes. Once in a while, after an extended period of time the table will receive a new felt or even more in frequently, the table will receive a new padded rail. But that is it. The table remains the same.

The table gets pounded on with fists, palms and elbows. The table gets nasty kicks underneath the top of it all the time. Drinks gets spilled on the table so often the pit person has clean rags and heavy duty towels for quick response as if the table is going to melt away. On the other hand, tables are rubbed for good luck as well as having fingers tapped on them as if some sort of special secret voodoo vibes are going to travel along the felt to the shoe for a winning hand. Strange but true, I have occasionally witnessed a table kissed by a player as well.

Tables are continuously accused of taking one's money. Something along the lines of, "hey how did you do last night"?  Answer, "the table took my money and took all of it". Or, "the table was hot, cleaned up and profited $10K". I guess the table determines one's outcome? Oh yeah, some casinos have more than one table of baccarat, been there and done that, walked in with a player partner and first thing out of their mouth's are, "don't sit at that table there's no way you're going to win at that one". So all in all I assume, it's really the table that will determine ones outcome and nothing else.

Tables really do get the brunt of the reason for players that lose. When we win, sometimes we mention that table in our discussions, but only sometimes. In my opinion that's very unfair! But, it is what it is.

Tables, they are loved and they are hated. But when you have say an $8,000 wager up on the bankers side, derived from a $1,500 buy-in with several small winning positive progressions and the cards are dealt, you are almost certain to rub your hands on the table, as if caressing a beautiful woman's face.

Your $8,000 wager along with everyone else's bet is on the bankers side. The dealer flops a 7 and a 4 for the players and the bankers cards are slid to you on top of that table, along its felt and you wedge your fingers along the sides of the cards after the unconscious gentle rub you so graciously and meaningfully gave that table.

In fact another person will usually reach over to your spot and rub the table in a circular motion to somehow give you an advantage. Once again, the table. So you peek and peek at the cards, you flip over a total of a 6. The dealer slides out of the shoe the players card and it travels along the table top from her left side all the way over to the players cards exposed and as it is flipped over, you were calling for a monkey/face and subconsciously thinking Face/10-9-A-2-3-4. The dealer flops over a friggen 7.  Yeah, players up to 8. The dealer quickly pulls a card out of the shoe and slides it to you.  You place your fingers on top of the card and rub it on the table. Probably a good four or five even six circles you make with it on top of the table.  Some kind of magical secret really experienced bac players are forbidden to fully explain, sorry.  You peek and see it is  a one line card. You quickly announce, "lose tie or win. But we have a chance". Your right hand fingers are on the card with the more old-school players poking the middle of it down into the table in order to convince it to be the 3 card you really need. Your left hand is palm down on the table and once again, caressing the table as if it was a beautiful woman's face.

You turn the card from horizontal to vertical and peel it back slightly. You see a dot on the end. You announce, "tie or win can't lose". But once again with the card unexposed you have both of your hands, palms down, rubbing the table. As if mixing up all those advantaged secret voodoo vibes, that will produce a 3 card. Others have once again reached over to your spot and rubbed their hands on the table as well.

Eventually you flop the card and present the 3 while simultaneously slapping the table. And don't worry, the table knows the difference between a winning smack and those notorious losing ones. After all, the table knows.

The table is the stage! Not one doubt about it-not one! No fancy gimmicks, no light show, no name brands. Nothing phenomenally materialistic, No pyrotechnics, no strobe or neon lights.

Just the dealer, the chip rack and the shoe. The green felt is the ocean of effortless greatness. The ocean is your place where you basically jump in, splash and wind up swimming to success or sinking to failure. 

Buy-in, sitting at the table and looking at our chip stacks separated by colors directly in front of us.  Then continuously looking at the rack and imagining how many of the dealers chips we can manage to win. The words of the Talking Heads song, 'Burning Down The House', running through some of our heads. "Ah, watch out, you might get what you're after. Cool babies, strange but not a stranger. I'm an ordinary guy. Burning down the house".................. OMG, seriously so fitting!

Great moments and real bad moments and all kinds of in between ones form at the table. Great memories stick, bad memories most of us wipe out pretty darn quick. Real quick in fact.

Lots of players-lots of thoughts.  A few players-no less thoughts indeed.  Thinking to the max. Thinking the average person that doesn't play baccarat would never imagine happens within our heads.  The cards change the way most of us think for whatever reason. We attempt to follow the cards and the only one really thinking about everything is us, not the dealer, not the floor people, not the cards, not the chips and definitely not the table. But the table sure brings lots of drama and reaction out in every single one of us.

Funny how even after a bad session or two or three, we go right back to that same table with complete open arms and a new handshake once again. Really not very rational but in the mind of a baccarat player, 100% normal and expected as well as never really given a second thought at all.

"At baccarat there is no such a thing as "balanced" patterns lasting for long, even "overalternating" A/B patterns are a form of unbalanced scenarios.
Thus virtually only slight alternating patterns could pose a threat to our plan." 

Why look for long, a small section producing those balanced or unbalanced pattens are a gravy train of beautiful wins, quickly.

"As already sayed one millions of times here, simple B and P hands or B/P doubles, etc are patterns too much affected by volatility, we need more complicated patterns to rely upon." 

Personally, I learned and attempt not to rely upon anything from that shoe.

"In fact more hands are needed to form a pattern, less likely is the probability that just one hand or a couple of hands will disrupt the normal asymmetrical flow."

True, but (and a long long thought here, forming a pattern and looking for it is like fishing in a spot of a lake where there might be plenty of fish based on previous experiences, but the time you go right there and drop your line with confidence, nothing!  How long do you stay?

"And less hands we want to "guess" greater will be the probability of success, unless the actual distribution seems to be so deviated that we could think to "freerolling" with casino's money." 

Are you referring to what I do and explained with 1 Base win and 2 more, then using the profits to feel less frustration and emotion, etc.?


"The real problems any bac player will face aren't related to WHEN a given pattern will happen but HOW LONG given patterns that had already shown up will present." 

True, but as I explained many times, you have to be on it, rather than waiting for it to establish and seek additional of the same once it is burning itself out.


"Obviously cards do not give a lesser fk about our current W/L status, this is one of the best tools making casinos' fortune as 99% of players want to get even in too short terms." 

True, hence the brightly cool colored scoreboard for all the 'expert' bac players to point to and continually follow because the board shows, 'so and so'!

"Or, it's the same concept, winning too much in the same short terms."

And that is why a person should engage in my #1 defensive tool, my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd MMM.