A few nights ago, we were all at the casino.  Late night, good table, lots of Karma, Freindship, a few Wifes and Husbands present, etc.  We get towards the end of the current shoe we were playing.  Full table, most people were winning.  Myself, H-Money and my resturant manager all grouped together.  Casino host comes over and checks on everyone.  The couple seated next to us asked for a comp to one of the resturants.  Host said sit tight, be right back with it.  The wife gets up, pushes her chip stacks in and says, color up.  She tells her husband be right back.  She grabs her purse and the cell phone she had wedged between her herself and the chair back and excuses herself to the restroom.  Husband pushes his chip stack in and asked the dealer to color up.

We are all refusing to play the last 10 or so hands and we ask for a new shoe.  Dealer looks over at the pit person and he nods his head okay.  All three of us are winning.  Everything great so far.  The husband to the excused wife that is gone, grabs the cell phone that was behind himself and says to H-Money whom he has know for quite some time, look at the first text message and check out the car I am buying, like 7,000 miles, the guy is broke and has to sell it within a few days in order to avoid legal action of some type, here look.  H-Money clicks on the first text and starts looking at the pictures.  H-Money breaks out laughing.  H-Money says, dude you are gay?  Really I do not want to look at pictures of some erect dicks being shown off!!  The husband grabs the phone and freaks out!  Tells H-Money that is his wifes phone and the guy grows furious.  The explanation is obvious, it is his wifes boyfriend or friend with benefits.

Just about that time his wife comes in the baccarat room and is screaming and yelling.  Turns out she did the exact same thing with the husbands phone and found some pictures of women on there as well. 

Oh well, just another night at the casino.   

Noted.  And yes everything can be twisted and turned to be individualistic and that is the point of a forum, research, learning and finding what our own advantages are.

Happy hHolidays to all!

You know I was talking to a couple very experienced players at the baccarat table the other night and I got out of paper and pen and showed them my 1 + 4 side parlay wager, that I constantly do.

You know take just $50 because a lot of tables are $50 minimum and parlay it four times after you win once is a net profit of $1,550. Take that same $50 and flatbet it you, need 31 wins to make the same amount of money. It looks like this:

$50.00.   Win wager: $100  $200 $400 $800.  Net Profit: $1,550.00

Flat Bet would look like this:

$50.00.  Win wager each time:  $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50 $50

And if you ever followed me and read anything I've written about my 1 + 4 side parlay wager,  it is not a consecutive dedicated wager.  I always have a main wager as my base bet, that is what I called my side wager and I'm wagering that out of my win money that's allocated four, five, six or seven times to complete one 1 + 4 side parlay wager.

Think about it, if you play to win you play to win!

Picking a side or picking a trend/event to happen is not the way to play this game unless you do it on an infrequent occasion. For consistency in any kind of session it will never work. Even then it will be a hit and miss type of thing, but much more manageable.

If you believe you can sit at the baccarat table and play numerous hands, shoe after shoe wagering for a certain thing, you are doomed from the very beginning. Second Lungyeh, is spot-on about James and Peter!  Following and breaking is extremely confusing to most and that is in total advantage to the casino each and every time and total disadvantage to the player. For the simple fact as mentioned you'll wind up winning some but you'll lose far in excess of what you win.

Money management is super important, yes absolutely. And of utmost priority. If you believe win stop and loss stop of units is money management, you are wrong.  So frequently mentioned by so many people, feel that doing just that will support you and allow you to win or not lose, that my friends is totally foolish.

Win and lose has to happen and it most certainly will. The way I found and proved to win when the win time presents itself to me, you have to have clear frame of mind and you have to be totally conscious of what is happening and being presented. That is why I came up with my Pounce On It, which I have written about many times so there's no need to rehash it here, it's already on the board.

Wild bets are hard to define and what is wild to me, might not be to you, and the opposite as well. However, wild or should we say much larger bets is a risk that will always be in the game and it is fine with me if it's with my win money, that is going to be allocated once I get to a certain point, which will be governed by my 1/3 1/3 1/3 money management method, I have often written about.

Buy-in.  Determines wagering and opportunity for each of us, which is individualistic to us. Buy-in has to be total risk capital.

Win. You have to understand win more than loss. Most all players allow wins to derail themselves and cause themselves to lose not only the win, but their buy-in as well.

Loss.  Most all baccarat players do not understand it and how it affects your frame of mind and consciousness of playing and the ability to see the presentments that the shoe is making. I don't want to get into it here, it's a complicated and detailed subject I've written about it elsewhere on the board.

When you win, you have to move to a true money management method of governing your future plays during that session. My 1/3 1/3 1/3 allows myself to do just that. From then on out, my wagering time spent at the table and when the session will end, will be truly governed by my 1/3 1/3 1/3.

As far as what Lungyeh said about my 70/30 is not totally correct. Once again my buy-in and yours should be total risk capital and not subject to loss stop. You will never win that way. What I have written previously about in short is the following.

Once I get a win to a certain point, I pocket my buy-in. Use 1/3 of the win to continue wagering. 1/3 of that same win will be a reserved amount. And the other 1/3 of it will be locked up and pocketed for an additional allocation for other non-gaming purposes. No exceptions. Exceptions only cause longer play, loss of win and usually loss of buy-ins and continued buy-ins to attempt recouping which will never work more than once or twice in many sessions.

Because the majority of the times you will experience a greater loss of hands then you will wins. Therefore, a continued flatbet or negative betting or progression to let you recoup, you will never win at this game at least anything sizable that is.

So, my 1/3 1/3 1/3 and my 1 + 4 side parlay plays, both coupled with my staying fully conscious of what my own level and plateaus are, while employing some positive progressions is the way to play in my opinion. Those things allow myself to win far in excess of my losses and most importantly I can most of the time capitalize on those opportunities that are either Banker or Player or side wagers or chops or doubles or triples or whatever they are named.

I am going to make some comments to your reply here Lungyeh.

I don't want to cluster Asyms thread, so I'm going to post it in my section called Wagering and Intricacies.  I'll work on it now.

You have some of what I posted correct and you got some of it wrong, I'll explain in that section.

Merry Christmas to all!  Members and Non-Members alike! Love you all! Alrelax.

Here it is.

Watch again 7:50 to 9:10.  AMEN, I am not cuffing up!

H-Money and myself went to the casino late last night. And I laid down the groundwork and I told him the rules are seven positive progressions of 1-3-2-6 and that's it no matter what. That's all you're going to play and I'll play along and do something else but that's what you're restricted to and he agreed.

The first one he lost $150 and the second one he lost $75.   On the third one he completed got $900 win money. The fourth one he completed got $900 win money. The fifth one he lost $75 on.   And the sixth one he won and got $900 win money once again.

The results were $2,400 net win and he lost $300 and he won $2,700 the way we marked up the scorecard.  He walked away with $2,400.  By the way the reason that I set the $75 as the base unit, was he had $900 to risk and I showed him and convinced him and I made him do it.  Yes he could have lost the entire $900 but chances are out of doing it six times if I could help govern him, I felt he would have profited something and that was his sole way in figuring out what to bet as far as the progressions or flat betting or anything along those lines.

I still love with other things happening if they're positive, the 1-3-2-6 progression.

"Now it's merely whining about somebody else and ZERO actual gambling discussion.

Luckily there are still a few who continue to play, continue to show a profit year after year, and just read along, all the while taking a step back and asking "Do I really want to get involved with some of these people?"

Not here, but the other sites are really a cesspool of human waste for inhabitants."

Quoted from AD above.  I re-read this many times and it is so spot-on and so accurate, it's actually sad but it's what's happening. Like I said many times, "it is what it is".

And that group of people just dwell on drama with very little actual play if any at all. I tried to keep a website more in line with actual play and discussion, with certain sections where you can open up and just post whatever you want within reason without chastising, humiliation and degradation of another and it's extremely hard to do without attracting and influencing the drama queens and kings.

That group of people will only participate if they can control and run the site to their liking, but having that would include so much negatory and derogatory things it's just plain wrong and I won't have it.

The traffic that they create is so worthless it doesn't need to be on my website, let it stay on one or two others, but most of the gambling sites are just about drama and online desires and rehashing things that will not make anyone money at all.

If anyone has any questions you can always PM me or send me an email.  Thank you, Alrelax.

The Subject of Statistics

Are just that, PERIOD.  Nothing more, nothing less.  They are the result of what was studied and what was produced.  Those results do not and will not guarantee those very results or the method to get to those results, to transfer to your application of such.  Why?  Because those results/presentments/events will not appear in the same order at your baccarat, blackjack, roulette or craps table.  Please understand that.

Problem is, the data tested would have to be the data presented in another place and time with an entirely different set of results possible.  Not that those results first studied and produced are wrong or false, just those statistics produced from the test will always be produced in a different way you are trying to replicate the same results or method applied.

It would be the same as you taking Car A and racing it against Car B in a straight line, say for half a mile, under the same conditions in two different places.  With supposedly everything the same, no real skill needed by the drivers except to steer straight and hold the gas pedal to the floor, you will still produce different results an unknown amount of times.

So, simply following another persons test results with visions to capitalize and be guaranteed to win, are totally wrong and impossible.

There are what I call the 3 Ts.  Which are, what fuels the subject matter when you or someone else takes those test results and Tweaks, Twists and Turns them around and adds false positives and other material or ideas to them.  Then many read that very thing and hope to find that system that is a mechanical schedule to win hand after hand after hand.  Often doing more damage to the lay person than if he did not believe in such foolish fiction of systematic gambling visions.

There are so many other things can and do help players that one can devote his time to Tweak, Twist and Turn to his own advantage.

Wise Up and Win!  Thanks, Alrelax. 

Just played a shoe with almost every example of what I just said was reality!

Super heavy players with 1 tie around hand 40.  Bead plate consistency.  All grouped up with players from the beginning to halfway.  Super shoe to capitalize on!  Reality, which was the presentments and of course almost nobody realized what was happening until it was over. 

Of course most of the people these days only like banker and most of the people these days only like the cut and of course they lose. H-Money got up over $15,000 on a $600 Buy in! 

At least he walked away with it, hopefully he doesn't go back for about a week or so otherwise I know what's going to happen to him.

I will post a picture of it when I can get it download onto my laptop.

First tie was at hand 40.  I simply love that 0 1 2 3 low tie, indication of whatever it is staying and producing the similar strong or weak  presenting groupings, from the shoe for a Section or quite often two Sections.

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We walked away at hand 53 with the total of 13 banks, 38 players and 1 tie.

Like I said, when you walk up to the baccarat table forget you even know what the word "should" means.

Players tend to be heavier and grouping up and repeating in the beginning, in my opinion during the first third of the shoes that they do it in.

Players more grouped up together than Bankers do.

Watch for bead plate consistency.

While there are 0,1,2,3 ties, which are low ties, indication the presentments to be strong and consistent in whatever the shoe is producing for hands 15 or so through 50.

Fortune 7 will cut to the player the highest majority of times.

When there is a multiple heavy player group or streak it will end with a Fortune 7 being produced the highest majority of times.

Do not focus on could or would, focus more on what the shoe is actually producing and what the presentments are, look forward to repeat short amount of times rather than the continual and repetitive wish.

I will post a short outline under the topic, Wagers and Intricacies thread. 

Excellent. I have actually started an outline and I've identified no less than 10 advantages that I have used successfully, at times, over the past years .

More on that at a later date thanks for putting in the input.