What do they give you for an excuse for not returning the money? I do not understand these people of betvoyager. Should they not rush to take care of their own reputation? There should not have to be 20 emails before returning the balance. Right now there is internet and people talk to each other easier than ever.
I hope you get your balance back. I would do exactly the same when it is returned. Withdrawal of balance and goodbye casino. What good is control of randomness if the balance is kidnapped?

If it is much trouble to get the same name maybe another name that involves the systems collection idea. It is a collection of systems more than a blog with my experiences. When I find Roulette Xtreme scripts or other program they will be put in the same thread too.
Not for talking endlessly about everything but only about the system. A library of systems for study as I think should be a forum for systems only.

Come on this is a full-fledged ad. I believe it was TCS who said something like: if a man offers to sell in the parking lot of another person's property, should give something to the owner. Sbobet is a forum sponsor financially now?

Please restore my blog "wannawin" from scratch to develop a compilation of systems where people can give their opinions and also their tweaks in an orderly fashion. A center of knowledge to capture methods with the respective wisdom that we have acquired over the years. Maybe I might become the next proofreaders.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 29, 2014, 04:31:16 PM
I have changed my over all method. I'm no longer interested in grinding out agrigated wins, that take hours to reach satisfaction. I could write a pattern recognition application that targets opportunities. It only requires the identification of this single  pattern, "w w w w... ." With one, two, or three maximum bets placed its easy. One of the most common streaks are any two of the six double streets sleeping for many spins in a row. I doubt that you can't find some form of a sleeping dozen in every wheel being played in any given five to ten hours not happening. It's always somewhere. I track 25 unique dozens while I search for streaks of sleepers or dominance of singles. It's  enough. You don't need progression based blind betting

25 dozens! must be many with double streets and streets combinations. The specific questions are: What spins window is used? In how many spins a dozen is considered as asleep? The process is waiting for w w w w and then follow it until there is an L? Then again enters standby mode until w w w w for another dozen line?

Thank you for giving a concrete form to bet. It is a pleasure to read it.

Why a program is not made with a large database with all betting patterns to play? it would be difficult to find a winning player to tell all patterns also telling when to place each bet. but then after that person says it all a programmer can patiently make the program so ​​no extra further efforts are made. It is worth if you ask me.

Quote from: VLS on May 28, 2014, 12:59:54 AMcan you please elaborate more on the languages you tried?

Basic256, Python, others. it is not difficult to understand why we quit. As it goes with everything there comes a point where things get complicated and you give up.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 29, 2014, 03:09:47 AM
1. Know how to read randomness.
2. Find out what is going on in the strongest form.
3. Get actualdata on the current effectiveness state.
4. Only place a bet while currently in the winning state. a. any loss is proof that you are not in the winning state any longer.
5. Use large enough bets that two or three net wins over any losses is enough.
6. Leave the casino with your success.

It takes experience with every step. It comes down to being in a win streaktoplace bets, and to quit while you are ahead.

Thank you. this deserves its own thread and hopefully could be consolidated. Are you sure you can not make a program that bet by itself? programming all possible patterns: llw, LWLW, lllw absolutely all patterns used. While patterns are active it identifies them taking advantage of all opportunities to bet.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 28, 2014, 06:10:32 PM
" My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics ..."

You will find that any progression, based on this trigger, will have times when it would fail. So to succeed, you need to add a factor, a circumstance that triggers when to use the progression. Otherwise you will fall victim to the progression you wish to use. A good trigger might be when singles are dominating. Or perhaps a best time to use it are when singles are sleeping.

You mean something like watching the lw? The truth is that I prefer systems lately where I will not have to guess. Yes I see the patterns. If I put the patterns of a session of 100 sets I see patterns clearly. With many spins in front you can say here there are many more w's or here there are more l's. The patterns exist and I do not doubt the people that say they are watching it.

what I use is simply not achieving at a level that will bring the success that some members claim to have by guessing the patterns. Any specific information on the subject would be greatly appreciated. I could not achieve it but I am not so closed as to say that if I could not do the guessing then no one else can. This is a great topic of study if you can remove the uncertainty that surrounds it.

Quote from: Sputnik on May 26, 2014, 05:35:04 AM
I will help you and give you a good advice.
Forget about coding systems with RX, because all of them fail.
There is other solutions than running simulations that might help you become a better gambler.

Friend, but the other option to computerized testing is to do it manually. We will grow old before sampling million sets sufficient for the long term with pencil and paper. Without using technology how can we know if the system is good in the long term? Now I am left very intrigued. Is it through a mathematical proof without coding? Please say more about your solution. Thank you.

Thank you for bringing the system complete with graphic. Tweak: system played by a team of 5 simultaneous players. One of the set starting spin 1-5, another starting for spins 2-6, the next 3-7, 4-8 and 5-9. So all the opportunities are covered.
When one member wins the group checks global balance to reset progressions for all players. Even if some players are still negative the positive players might take cover.

former first VLS forum administrator has returned to betforum. what is the status of Addonai: friend or foe?

Quote from: wannawin on May 23, 2014, 06:23:01 PMlike thousands of other sites do.

To have a donation button is common practice. The excelbot site that sponsors betforum directly has it too:

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Nothing bad about it in any of the sites. donations are completely optional and users do with their money as they please. Do not lose support here.

I wanted to give a little and did not find a button anywhere for contribution. it is a bit silly if you need permission to support. Just put a prominent link to the public. let detractors talk if they want to talk. you are not keeping it open for bad critics but for those who enjoy it here. I assure you that more than one person is benefiting from this site and is not concerned with offering a little support here and there. But there has to be a button published clearly. like thousands of other sites do.

Forgive the question but is this forum living off the air now? Before there were constant fund raisers to make ends meet. Now even with accusations of greed overtly made I do not remember to have seen any button in the forum, not even a button for $ 1. There is no concern about the fate of the forum website now? Something new occurred? WHAT HAPPENED??

Sorry if this topic has already been addressed or it is a well known secret or a taboo which should not be treated. if so I am not aware. Sorry.
Please address the issue. This website is a haven for good discussion . It would be very disappointing in case that after everything the site closed because of the basics.