Hi Gentlemen,
Here, a few strategy, that are grail, that adhered to math probability,
that you may bet on table layout,
or on wheel itself,
(as some here prefer the pie ,stars, or any segment on the wheel...)
DS, or six numbers on wheel.
Wait for six DS,
TO HIT IN SIX SPINS.
then bet , in next six spins,
only five, or less, DS, will hit.
place insurance on GREEN.
what the probability of Six DS,
to hit again?
FOUR 9NUMBERS SECTION.
Wait for FOUR , to hit in 4 spins.
bet only 3, or less, to hit in next 4spins.
What the probability, of FOUR, to hit again?
DOZENS.
WAIT FOR ALL 3 DOZEN TO HIT IN 3SPINS.
bet it won't, or would REPEAT, IN NEXT 3SPINS.
dozens, may hit, twice in row, 3 in row, 4 in row,
even 5in row!
What the math probability?
And figure out the MM.
The best of these strategies,
THEY ALWAYS ADHERED TO
MATH...
EXPECTATION!
simply mean, the probability of HORRIBLE VARIANCE..IS LOW.
YOU MAY WAIT OUT THE LOSER, AND BET THE EXPECTATION!
unbelieveable?
BELIEVE IT.
Wait for all 6 double streets to hit in a row????
How long does that take?
Dozens was part of grassroots
I tweaked it to against unique 3
When you have a unique set like 123 bet against it
But then we may have
123
123
123
Ouch
So maybe Bet bet for repeat on single dozen
The DS and Dozen method both lose....Coz of the math. :thumbsdown:
It's not negative. It's reality. Just as your methods are all big time losers. It is what it is.
Btw....how was your AA meeting?
Quote from: Denzie on January 24, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
It's not negative. It's reality. Just as your methods are all big time losers. It is what it is.
It's difficult to tell people that a set of strict rules for bet selections will not work. Just look at how far Snowman and all his alias puppets gets him. People will not move past rule based systems until they get tired of researching them and discovering that they all fail, even if they do the very best, they still fail at the mathematical rate of the house edge. There is a phase of researching winning methods that is past trying to beat the math. Math will not tell you when a favorable coincidence will take place. So math must be left behind for coincidence. The key to winning is in exploiting the coincidences that occur everyday in casinos.
Gentlemen,
According to a member's research,
Stringbeanpc,
says, that 6DS,
hit 1/200 probability,
that 6x200=once in 1200spins probability,
thus the chances of seeing 6ds/6spins, to hit
twice ,back to back, is very slim.
THREE UNIQUE DOZENS,(TUD).
to hit in next 3spins=33%, albeit green.
TUD=SINGLE of only Once, or one.
TUD, and TUD again=series...of two
TUD, AND TUD, AND TUD again=series of three.
TUD,TUD,TUD,TUDagain= series of four,
and may even see up to series of five!
THUS, WHAT THE CHANCES OF ,
SINGLE VERSUS SERIES?
(or..
series2 vs series3, and more?)
Surprise...!
but not really surprising, really..
33%....!
EVERYTHING IN ROULETTE ADHERED TO MATH PROBALITY!
So how you make money by this not surprising math...?
by taking advantage, of VERY STABLE MATH EXPECTATING.
why, because you will see the single vs series, very stable, conforming to EXPECTATION...
you WAIT FOR A LOSER,
then , expecting a stable outcome...
you won't see horrible variance..
do you expect, to see series of
TUD2 or more,
THEN ,
TUD2 or more,
THEN TUD2, AND TUD2 AGAIN?
when we see a TUD,
WE bet TUD won't hit again,
say 123 hit, that a TUD..
now, say 1 hit, we bet 1,
opps, 2 hit,
we bet 1 and 2,
opps, 3 hit, we lose the first battle.
the same applied to four segment, of 9numbers.
when you see four unique four in four spin,
you bet they won't hit four in next four spins.
anf figured out the simple mm.
you don't rush into lose money
Gentlemen,
What Gizmotron, mean,
is like this.
say, in next 10 spins, a permutation, of 10spin, of whatever , even , dozen,etc will happen,
and they seems to repeat.
and must repeat, as every permutation, will hit, with same probability
say,
BBBBBBBBBB, 10 B in row,
RRRRRRRRRR, 10R IN ROW..
THAT will happen, every few hundreds spins.
and easy for our eyes, visualizing, because, of SAME COLOR. and pattern.
What about
say,
BBR,BBR,BBR,BBR,BBR..
BBRB, BBRB,BBRB,BBRB,BBRB..
BBBR,BBBR,BBBR,BBBR..
BBBRRRRBBBRRRRBBBRRRR...?
BRBBRRBBBRRRBBBBRRRR....
they are also a permutation, THAT MUST HAPPEN!
and Gizmotron, bet that a permutation, of his choice, to happened,
in next few hundreds spins, by parlaying them, when it happened.
then, how about the double
dozen?
As you see, when you look at any real data, of say, 300spins,
you will see a string of sleeping single dozen,
it may sleep for 5,6,7,8,9,10, even up to 13 or more,
that string of sleeper , also, a pattern.
Thus when you see sa, a dz sleep for 3spins,
you start to bet for it to sleep up to 10spins, that 8 spins to bet, by parlaying.
bet 10/10, if lose, wait.
if win, then , bet 15/15, if lose, you lose 20.
if win, you bet, 22/22, and so on, you get the idea.
Debacle smiles at you , when, sleeper refuse to sleep, for long.
I am not selling, nor affliated to anything, just sharing for love, of roulette.
Back to topic.
Someone asked,
how you ensure that your 6DS, or Dozens, 4segments of 9numbers, adhered to MATH EXPECTATION?
Answer.
By arrangging them, in proper arrangement,
thus not become haywire, with haywire probability.
Six DS.
Say, DS=DS1,DS2,DS3,DS4,DS5,DS6=123456,
Then we have SIX sets of DS arrangement.
why six?
say, in first 6spin
we start from 1st spins, thus,
123456,
123456,
123456,
..
start from 2nd spin, for 2nd set.
234561,
234561,
234561,
for 3rd set..
345612,
345612,
345612,
for 4th set.
456123,
456123,
456123..
now you get the idea...
same for dz,
we get 3 set.
123,
123,
123, for first zet,
231,
231,
231, for second set,
312,
312,
312, for 3rd set,
thus ,now we go face to face with math probability, and expectation,
for dozen, some call it matrix, and some call it pinwheel,
and some call it grassroot.
in short, they produced, one of best math expectation bet.
hello you give an example of how to play a permanence :applause:
Betting against unique 3 dozen can be dangerous
I've seen
123
123
103
in 60,000 spins thanks to raymanz
123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26
i see 1 2 3 about once every 100 spins
and 123 123 ....31 times in 60,000 spins
ONCE EVERY 1,900 spins you will see 123 123
Interesting thinking. Now consider this. 123 123 can only happen in a streak of singles. Now consider this. How often does any first three spins duplicate in the next three spins?
Quote from: Gulp37 on January 25, 2017, 02:15:39 PM
in 60,000 spins thanks to raymanz
123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26
i see 1 2 3 about once every 100 spins
and 123 123 ....31 times in 60,000 spins
ONCE EVERY 1,900 spins you will see 123 123
I remember when Raymond did this
The idea is after a unique dozen set bet against it
123
103
Zero can hurt
I was laughed at for saying insurance insurance on 0
Gentlemen,
We bet when a TRIGGER OF,
"three unique dozen" in 3spins,
(TUD) PERMUTATION HIT.
123,
321,
213,so on...three different dozen in 3spins.
We bet after a TUD , hit, another permutation, of TUD, won't hit.
eg.
123,...trigger.
123=another TUD, we lose,
123,
132...lose.
123
231...lose.
123,
213...lose...and so on, you get the idea.
So , when and how we win?
eg.
213...TUD, as trigger.
112...we win, as the 1, repeat..
213, trigger.
122, ...we win, as the 2, repeat.
213...
111...we win, as the 1 ,repeat..
Thus, a TUD, followed,
by another TUD ,(of any permutation),
cause losing bet.
then, what the chances of win/lose ratio.
if we bet as,
SINGLE/SERIES (OF 2, AND MORE)?
answer...within math expectation,
with very slim, of the horrible variance. to happen.
REMEMBER!
TUD, TUD,TUD ,...
will go on to 5in row!
thus we bet as single versus series, only,
as the expectation, is STABLE.
========
interestingly,
we could also bet, after a TUD, IN 4SPINS.
SAY,1231 DOZEN! hit in 4spins,
what the chances, that TUD, WILL HIT IN NEXT 4SPINS?
THINK HARD!
And the time on the most important question what MM recommend.
For doubledozen we have Regression, for EC I got something diffrent.
But I have no progression for dozens, maybe some positive progressions by Kattila
But I never fully understood them .
If we have stable bet selection , we need very good progression to make money.
Hi Ozon,
Stable bet,
only mean, that possibility, of HORRIBLE VARIANCE, to hit, is SLIM.
Thus, we have the luxury, or previlege,
to wait for a " losing attack",
to happened first,
that one losing attack avoided,
thus 'enhance',
the chances of winning.
it is not
solely DD attack,
as..
132 trigger...
then fourth spin,
1,........ hit, thus bet 1 will repeat,(bet one dozen only)
1,2...lose, thus we bet 1 and 2...(bet double dozen)
123..lose all.
Quote from: Gulp37 on January 25, 2017, 02:15:39 PM
ONCE EVERY 1,900 spins you will see 123 123
If you are in a global effect of singles don't bet this way that I will show you.
If you see 123, then for the next bet, bet 1 / 1 on 2 and 3 respectively.
If 1 happens, you lose. So then bet 4 / 4 on 1 and 3 respectively.
If 2 happens, you lose again. So then bet 13 / 13 on 1 and 2 respectively.
In this method you will win one unit for each step until you win. If it wins on step one then you win one unit. If it wins on step 2 you win two units. If it wins on step three you win three units. If you lose all three steps you lose 36 units. The method has an odds of reoccurrance of 1 in a hundred spins, if that stat is true. So you can win 97 units to every 36 lost if this is all true. The problem is that you have to wait for 123 before trying it. And that is to win yourself 3 units. It is obvious that if you have a global effect of doubles and triples that betting on a pattern of singles to win is not a good idea at the time. So you need sets of threes, TUD's, for each dominating situation of awareness. If you see a swarm of doubles than any triple will win, like 333 or 111 for an example. If you see a swarm of singles than 222 would not be so good because 131 or 313 could happen. The trick to this is in identifying how the dozens are currently acting. I'd bet that the odds of a repeating TUD are even larger than 1 in 100 when situational awareness is applied.
It's all good thinking, this search for the very rare event.
I think I will write a sim to test this.
***
But I have no progression for dozens, maybe some positive progressions by Kattila
But I never fully understood them . ***
Tell me which one (s) you didn t understood and i will try to help.
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About the 123123......on dozens ....how about this ,
if we have 123123123 in row from 9 streets in row , or
9 splits in row ...what to do/bet next.....
Be creative and use splits and streets (or just numbers)
to make your own *dozens* in the order/ pattern you wish....
Quote from: Kattila on January 28, 2017, 04:01:34 AM
***
But I have no progression for dozens, maybe some positive progressions by Kattila
But I never fully understood them . ***
Tell me which one (s) you didn t understood and i will try to help.
_______________________________________
About the 123123......on dozens ....how about this ,
if we have 123123123 in row from 9 streets in row , or
9 splits in row ...what to do/bet next.....
Be creative and use splits and streets (or just numbers)
to make your own *dozens* in the order/ pattern you wish....
I've tried that
take streets
divide into 12 number sections
abc
bet against the pattern
Quote from: RouletteGhost on January 28, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
bet against the pattern
It won't work long term. Sorry rookie.
Ken
Take it from me. Ken knows this topic more than any gambler in the world.
P.S. that was not meant to be sarcasm. I'm not kidding anyone.
I don't care what ken says or thinks.
So leave me out of it.
Mr J aka Ken learned his skill in the trenches of a B & M casino .That` s good enough for me. I respect him for that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 24, 2017, 06:36:47 PM
Quote. Math will not tell you when a favorable coincidence will take place. So math must be left behind for coincidence. The key to winning is in exploiting the coincidences that occur everyday in casinos.
Exactly, 1,000% something that many and I mean the highest majority will never understand or subscribe to. See it all the time, and although--different aspects occur all the time, they leave all those calculating whatever it was they were in bewilderment! Spot on!