Some of you might find this interesting, especially as it offers a trial:
http://roulettekeygold.com/index.html (http://roulettekeygold.com/index.html)
If the comments on the right hand panel are genuine then the software could be worth considering.
A trial would certainly help you make up your own mind about the veracity of the comments.
[Disclaimer: the software is not mine, I don't know the programmer, and I have no financial interest it.]
I can assure you all the comments are genuine. However, I can see some of the statements are made by gamblers who unlike me they keep going whereas I stop after making a profit. But I can't argue with my customers.
As all the systems are in the book "The Winning Rules" (see http://roulettekeygold.com/book.html ) and some are explained on the systems page http://roulettekeygold.com/systems.html. Unlike most systems these are nearly all played for level stakes, though they may increase on a win!
As I'll happily explain any system before you subscribe to the software, you don't even need to use the software to test the systems but as I have spent ages writing it I'd rather you did !
Aha -- The Man himself! Welcome to the forum.
Perhaps we can use this thread for questions and answers.
Hopefully some will take a trial and we look forward to any feedback they might perhaps care to offer.
Level stakes...that should stimulate interest.
OK. I've a question.
Just been watching some of your videos.
In one of them you were extolling the virtues of RNG in terms of being able to take your time placing bets.
Yet using RNG is a vexed issue on various forums. Opinions range from "the software is rigged" to "I've had no problems".
But there is a considerable body of anecdotal evidence to suggest rigging takes place.
Plus pretty clear confirmation from a casino software provider is provided here:
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1598.0;nowap (http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1598.0;nowap)
So part from the 'taking your time' factor why do you favour RNGs?
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It's always good to see the author of Roulette Key Gold on the forum to answer questions.
I will offer myself up for the trial of Roulette Key Gold and I'll give you all a full report of the software.
EDIT:
I have sent the author an email because the Download option on the website is not working.
I'll let you all know when I start with the trial.
Looking forward to that, SamNL :thumbsup:
Thanks for the help SamNL :-)
It's refreshing to see a gambling web site where the author tells it like it is. No misleading hype - just the plain truth. Good job!
While the Download form on the Roulette Key Gold website does not work, the download form on winningrouletteplayer.com does.
I have filled in the details on that form and for now I'll be waiting for the download link to arrive on my e-mail so I can start the testing.
Looking at the website winningrouletteplayer.com I have to say that I do like the website.
There's no sales blurb to be found. Everything is detailed clearly, no statements of always winning at roulette. It's like Mike already said, it's very refreshing to find a website that is not full of sales blurb but actually honest about what u can expect.
I'll report back when I start the trial of the software.
@Esoito
Here's what it says about RNG at Winningrouletteplayer.com:
I've given up trying to beat the RNG casinos and use them only for practice because they are faster (However, some customers succesfully use them).
I'll check on the download situation thanks for telling me.
I've just sent you the download details apologies for the delay I'm responding manually as I got so much rubbish when it was automatic.
I wrote that bit on giving up at RNG a long time ago. I do use them but not for long periods.
One problem with the trial is people expect it to work without learning the different systems to counteract this I've been working on instructions well I've been rewriting the book The Winning Rules and today 6th August its on Amazon as an ebook please search "Online Roulette: The Winning Rules" .
This includes links to videos for every system, so it's essentially a text book and sales tool for RouletteKeyGold.
Due to the Amazon payment system I'm having to sell it cheaper than I'd like at just £5.15 instead of £10.00
I'll also have it as a pdf soon.
Yes you can take your time placing bets on RNG.
But recently I've been using the neighbours buttons which help me get bets on in time at live casinos.
If I can play live I do but I know if I start I may be on for an hour or two but at RNG I can be in and out in a few minutes and I have got a life to live!
I have a couple of clients who have been playing RNG for years.
Both are pensioners and use it to supplement their income. But they are realistic and don't expect fantastic winnings every time they play.
One of these gentlemen swears the practice tables are rigged so you always win and the real ones are well 'real'. I honestly don't know.
I had an email from a chap yesterday he'd made 14% of his bank in 20 minutes. He should have stopped then , did he? Of course not, he went on to try something else and lost most of his winnings. But we've all been there haven't we?
I can confirm that I have received the e-mails on my account.
I have also bought the book on Amazon.
I want to give everybody the best test that I can give.
I will read the book first for the instructions and then I'll give Roulette Key Gold a try.
EDIT:
I have started the test of Roulette Key Gold.
The way I am playing it is waiting for the hint of Roulette Key Gold to come up and play the hint that comes up.
The first tests so far are positive.
1 thing that I am trying to find out is if this program has a reset option to reset all the numbers that I have filled in so far.
I personally like to switch tables at DB when I earn a few units and continue on another table.
But RKG doesn't seem to have a reset option where I can click on to reset all numbers.
Test will continue.
You can only reset the 'finals' , the sixes (the yellow bar) and neighbours.
As there are about 20 variables per number it's too difficult to reset everything. It's easier to start again.
To reset finals its Alt-Right Click, the six bar is Ctrl Right Click on the finals counter.
The neighbours is just right click on the white bar. The yellow number to the left of that is the longest uninterupted set of neighbours you are alerted when its 12 and has slept 9 times.
The totals shown on each system reset when its used again.
But you can keep copies of the program in different directories for different tables/casinos .
By the way if you right click on the right hand column the history is copied to the clipboard, it can the be pasted into Word or Excel (but not Notepad)
The hint button really turns on intelligent guesses it sometimes helps like its meant to but I can find it annoying.
Also I've set the default alerts quite low so use with care. Though the 9 on neighbouring dozens seems quite good so far but it could probably go up to 10.
I think the important thing is to get to know each system individually, it will take time but will be worth it.
I'll send you a copy of the original book so you can see what I've edited out.
1st test for today completed.
Ended up with around +80 units.
I strongly recommend everyone interested in this to buy the book on Amazon.
The information that is in the book is very useful to start with. It gives u instructions on how to use every system in RKG.
Also the information that is in the book is clearly explained.
The reasons I drew this product to the forum's attention were threefold.
Firstly, the site lacks the 'normal' sales hyperbole, exaggerations and general BS. So refreshing. (I was glad to see others noticed that, too.)
Secondly, I thought that if the comments from users were genuine then this software is well worth a close look. (The author has since confirmed they are genuine.)
And thirdly, watching some of the videos confirmed that here is a product to be taken seriously.
Congratulations to SamNL for the transparent and methodical way he is approaching the testing. (He's had a good start so the next round is on him :beer: )
And also to the author, Peter, for his helpful responses, and for enlightenment about the RNG question I posed earlier.
[As an aside, I didn't realize there is a second site, as Sam pointed out. Bit confusing for a country boy like me...Why two? Perhaps one has basically replaced the other?]
Quote from: Mathemagician on August 06, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
I had an email from a chap yesterday he'd made 14% of his bank in 20 minutes. He should have stopped then , did he? Of course not, he went on to try something else and lost most of his winnings. But we've all been there haven't we?
Peter - very simple words. But too difficult to put to use right? After all Patience and discipline pays.
The fact is most players win early on and go on to lose, it's how casinos work
I say if you have a target of 4 - 10%, stop when you reach it, it is difficult I know and few of us can do it.
Similarly, one should have a stop loss, which will vary according to the system used. But the minimum is around 40 and this must be a fraction of the bank.
Here is a quote from the original Winning Rules ..(1905)"With regard to the very small minority of players who win at MONTE CARLO, they usually lose their winnings back again in an incredibly short space of time. For instance, one afternoon last summer I was at MONTE CARLO, and suddenly a great hubbub was raised in the rooms. An American had just won 160,000 francs (£6,400). In less than an hour afterwards, a similar commotion again occurred: "he had lost it all back again".
Peter,
Whilst I agree that most casino punters do give it all back, the solution cannot be merely "quit while you're ahead". If it were, a huge number of otherwise undisciplined punters would have "converted" immediately, having realized the error of their ways, and the casinos would have gone out of business many moons ago.
That's apart from all the mathematical considerations, of course. Having said that, I do like your website, and I'm not entirely unconvinced that there isn't some merit in diversifying, ie; employing a number of diverse systems in a playing session.
Hello Peter
its nice you answer directly on forum
you say stop after" 4 or 10 %" or "stop loss"
this is ok for short term playing
im talking about long term play
if one goes on casino every day one year 2 years ?
all those small session at the end ut will be a kifd of long run and there is a big
probability they loss all bankrol
and so stop loss or 4 10% is not effective at ll
as you are the owner of those system
can you please tell us if you have real data
on one of your best system
banroll?
number of spin play .?
evolution on capital ?
etc
(you says that some of your customer play regulary and they win ??but not for buying a porshe !!!?
this not enough for a serious system
ARE YOU YOURSELF PLAYER OR YOU ONLY SELL ?
best from France
roulette fan since 1974
A country boy! so am I if living and working around Dartmoor qualifies me!
Sorry about the confusion over winningrouletteplayer.com and RouletteKeyGold.com.
The latter seemed a good idea to register after I'd renamed and rewritten the program.
I still own both and downloads are not available anywhere else.
If anybody finds a working download let me know and I'll take action and reward them with a free legitimate copy!
Yes I suppose Roulette Key Gold is replacing winningrouletteplayer.com but google has been sending people to winningrouletteplayer for some time so I have to be careful
I used to include progressive staking albeit with insurance and ghost bets and the program did well but a few odd things happened i.e a single dozen turning up 15 times in a row. You know the sort of thing. It puts you off RNG but then again I've seen red turn up 16 times in a Leeds casino.
Now I've developed the software with the help of feedback from users I've turned off progressive staking (except for the ex-croupier system) and try to concentrate on level stakes which is working well.
I admit I'm not a full time gambler, I find it boring, but I am a qualified Maths & IT Tutor and I've always had an interest.
I can earn more writing programs for businesses and I'd rather do that.
I get to the 'nitty gritty' of a business and compile a program accordingly, if anyone has something in mind ask me so far I've done retail, event management, cardboard box costing , metal plating to name but a few. I'm not an expert in any but if I can understand what's needed and how its arrived at and it's a logical process I can write a program.
The inescapable fact, and the only one I guarantee "is that the longer you play the more likely you are to lose!" Oddly enough nobody has disputed this!
If one is playing for large stakes say £10 a unit a win of 20 units is a substantial amount. But if one plays for 10p it's nothing but entertainment.
Most people will find a level they are happy at be it 50p/c or £1/$ or whatever they are comfortable with.
Having said that its quite easy for most of us to win a handful of units and we frequently do early on in a session the more well off can afford to stop but the less well off will carry on. It's not a game for widows and orphans ! Capital is King !
Early on in my programming some clients played for hundreds of spins and still do my program alerts them to which numbers have slept 111 , 185 spins etc. Ok they don't earn a fortune but they do make regular winnings to supplement their pensions. They have gambling banks of between £1,000 and £2,000 and I believe stake £1 units. Reading between the lines probably 25% of their bank is with a casino at any one time.
I play most systems for no more than 40 spins in fact that's the number specified.
I can tell you if you spin the wheel the number it gives, in 50% of cases will be repeated at least once within 37 spins.
As for real data there is a lot in the original book of which all my customers have a copy
I'm not going to get into the Maths of it, it only confuses the five out of three people who can't do fractions but I know 4% a day compounds to 120% a month or 1440% a year
I don't say I'm offering anything new only the facility to use old systems on a computer.
I'm selling my programming skills.
There's enough people selling 'new' systems but can you believe them all?
Your posts are quite refreshing. Thank you very much for participating here. Good luck with your venture.
@Peter
Your software is subscription-based.
Now, not everyone likes the sort of dependency that creates. Nor do they like having to keep putting one hand their pocket every time renewal is due.
Have you considered also offering a standalone, pay-and-buy version, perhaps with fewer systems on offer?
You'd pick up customers you might otherwise miss out on.
Quote from: esoito on August 10, 2014, 12:05:24 AM
Your software is subscription-based.
Have you considered also offering a standalone, pay-and-buy version, perhaps with fewer systems on offer?
Pretty smart your annual subscription plan. New users burn in less than a year of losses for sure. The first year is a definitive year. Good choice of yearly term to secure the money. Those left to renovate are the few who win during the year and those who are already addicted.
My only other suggestion would be to sell each system separately so that the subscription becomes increasingly beneficial compared to spending in many. In this way you can offer the option of subscription saving by comparison.
Also, users who are frightened by the annual subscription of £ 50.00 GBP, will be captured in mass with individual systems that otherwise they would not buy.
Hurry to make sales before my prediction comes true.
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/my-prediction-roulette-programs-end-up-being-all-free/
I decided on the Annual Subscription as I can keep every subscriber up to date with the latest copy. Nobody has an old copy any improvements are passed on to every subscriber
Obviously I'd like 1000 subscribers at £50.00 p.a and if ever get there I'll have to keep everybody happy or my income will dry up.
To sell each system separately would only work on paper I don't fancy doing a program for each. Also there's little if anything new in a game that's been around for hundreds of years and I don't want to sell rehashed old systems, there's plenty of people doing that already!
What I'm selling is my skill in programming. I don't make any promises as every customer is different, it won't suit everyone. I also describe every system before anyone subscribes so I like to think I'm not selling but customers are buying.
They could learn every system from my website, youtube, books (preferably mine) etc. But if they haven't a super power memory they could use my program.
I don't believe decent software will ever be free there are free alternatives to Microsoft Word, Adobe Photoshop etc but Microsoft and Adobe both now sell on subscription.
Many free Roulette Program are designed to gain commissions from Casinos, the sellers don't care if the buyer wins or not in fact I believe they can get paid according to what his customers lose.
I also write other programs for small businesses and naturally must be paid for my time. However, I always give a free trial. Gamblers are in effect running their own businesses so to me its like supplying a business and if I can I'll add their particular requirements often for no charge.
I seem to be having trouble with the download page at RouletteKeyGold.com in the meantime please use
http://www.winningrouletteplayer.com/download.html (http://www.winningrouletteplayer.com/download.html)
or just send me your email for a free trial
There is now real data spread over 17 sessions and 382 spins at http://roulettekeygold.com/latest.html
Read this:
http://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/test-results-double-your-capital-in-less-than-20-sessions-proof-!/msg31718/#new
I've just completed a series of 17 tests at an RNG casino.
Granted some odd things happened particularly on Day 16 (http://www.roulettekeygold.com/videos/Day16/) when every time I bet on Red I got Black and vice versa. (but I would have won if I'd have opposed the bank) but in the end I did come out on top 111% up in fact
see http://roulettekeygold.com/latest.html
Hello Peter,
I was just looking at the first few pages of your book on amazon, and I'm a bit puzzled:
QuoteSceptics will tell you every spin is independent of what's happened before.
This isn't true, a ball has landed on red 28 times it has never landed 29
times. So much for each spin being a singular event!
I'm not sure what you mean by this. ???
If every spin is independent then it has a 50% chance of landing on red but it has never happened on the 29th spin!
As it has never happened it can't be independent. Of course that's not to say it couldn't happen but it hasn't yet!
Quote from: Mathemagician on September 11, 2014, 04:49:37 PM
As it has never happened it can't be independent.
Peter, I can't see the logic of this at all.
If what you say is true, then you could also say something similar for blackjack. I don't know what the record is for the number of consecutive blackjacks dealt from a shoe is, but let's call it x, then you could say, "x + 1 blackjacks have never happened, therefore outcomes are not independent." But blackjack is already a dependent game for the simple reason that as cards are removed from the shoe, the probability of the next hand changes, assuming the cards are not replaced, and of course an analogous situation does not exist in roulette; a pocket is not removed from the wheel after the ball falls into it, and this is what is meant by independence, nothing to do with the number of events either blackjack or roulette has generated, which would be an issue of bias.
I don't know about Blackjack I used to do a program for Baccarat.
But had to stop when I realised the casinos used 8 separate decks and shuffled each time (or something like that.)
Anyway that's all beside the point. I'm not claiming anything new, in 300 years or so most things must have been said already.
My source information in the main comes from the book "THE WINNING RULES of ROULETTE PRACTICALLY CONSIDERED" By Sperienza ,1905. Which supplied most of the techniques in my program, and is the basis on which my new book is based.
In Chapter XII a tale is given about a man who backs black after a run of 8 reds he wins it goes on to say At any rate the odds are more than 500 to 1 against a run of nine—not 1 to 1
In continous play the most consecutive even chances is 13 (over 20,000 spins, certified). - Roulette for The Millions , p.174 - O,Neil Dunne - 1971.Though I suspect anybody who plays RNG will have seen more! If you want to bet against such figures go ahead !
I doubt that even a good part has already been published and there no longer remain systems or variations that have not been treated.
In my discourse with some members of the forum I have been amazed at the existing creativity. And yes I have come to know things not published openly that some swear to be the final system. But I always take them with skepticism and do not think all is said. I also know that the results of this million sets may not be the same for the next million. We must be very careful not to fall into these assumptions.
i bought the book
not a bad $10 spent
i love the capitalist system
unfortunately I am in NY and i don't believe atlantic city offers en prison on european roulette, they only offer it on american roulette, so that system wouldn't work in the US
a shame. id do 3 spins and be done
Yes I hoped I'd found the answer with the capitalist system
I thought why not use an online no zero table like bet voyager?
But I couldn't work the maths out. ???
I used Excel & Goal seeking but it looks impossible
By the way I found some record cards I'd saved from an American wheel in Luxor (Eygpt) and oddly enough although the wheels are different I still won. Probably a coincidence or just luck, still a lot of the same principles and bets apply so I may consider an American version of the book and Software. But as most of the techniques in the book apply and its selling over there anyway, should I bother, what do you think?
Am I right in thinking that in America you can't access European, French and no-zero tables ?
I'm away for a few days now but will be back next week
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