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Title: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: BetJack on July 17, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
Hello forum friends

Today I decided to publish some pictures
from my method

Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
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EXTREME SESSIONS

results
sessions 1/end +18  /max bet 26  /drop down -131
sessions 2/end +7   /max bet 4   /drop down -35
sessions 3/end +14  /max bet 3   /drop down -12
sessions 4/end -15  /max bet 9   /drop down -57
sessions 5/end -15   /max bet 7    /drop down -41
sessions 6/end +16  /max bet 19  /drop down -121
sessions 7/end +4   /max bet 3    /drop down -12

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Harsh Sessions won by Positive gambling module
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results
seq       /max bet / Drop dwon/ profit/
session 1 /  25    /   -162   /   +16  /
session 2 /  3     /   -18    /    +6  /
session 3 /  3     /   -10    /    +8  /
session 4 /  3     /   -13    /    +9  /
session 5 /  5     /   -23    /    +8  /
session 6 /  4     /   -13    /    +7  /
session 7 /  3     /   -17    /    +6  /
session 8 /  2     /   -18    /    -3  /
session 9 /  5     /   -30    /   -16  /
session 10/  9     /   -41    /   +29  /


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right

then
Why I fail in the long RUN
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stop loss at 300 units

can somebody help me why I fail
where is the flaw

BETJACK
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: BetJack on July 17, 2016, 08:48:05 AM
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result
max bet 4 / drop down -34 /
net +2 on spin 21 / end -24

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BETJACK
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 17, 2016, 09:42:15 AM
How to help you if you don't explain what you are doing?!

Speaking generally, you are expecting the impossible, you present some results, God only knows from where, then you expect someone to wipe your own behind!

Even if someone could solve your own stuff, why would he/she be compeled to do so??!

And since when betting selection is irrelevant from betting?!
Choosing Black from Red could make the whole difference between winners and losers!

Don't get me wrong but I consider these kind of topics pointless.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Albalaha on July 17, 2016, 12:04:06 PM
You failed to win in the long run test as you based your strategy on false notions as blue angel did when he thought a 37 step delayed martingale can beat any session under the sun. He needed streak of wins after streak of losses which may not always come before it is too late. You did something similar and lost in randomly picked normal session.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: NathanDetroit on July 17, 2016, 04:18:28 PM
Bet selection for EC like  either  Black OR Red requires  the ultimate of a  skill that one would not think  of. It is not a  bet selection for long term play and  even SHORT term requires that type of a skill better left to  experienced pros.





Nathan Detroit
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Albalaha on July 17, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on July 17, 2016, 04:18:28 PM
Bet selection for EC like  either  Black OR Red requires  the ultimate of a  skill that one would not think  of. It is not a  bet selection for long term play and  even SHORT term requires that type of a skill better left to  experienced pros.


Nathan Detroit

          No betselection can put you in a state of permanent advantage whatever manner you choose that. It will still have the worst and the best moments and everything in-between.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Tomla on July 17, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
Nathan ---listen to the self  proclaimed expert Albahala,  self proclaimed Thorpe of our generation. He will be your guiding light. The price of his progression regression will soon be $9.99 on ebay or elsewhere so that the masses can learn.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: NathanDetroit on July 17, 2016, 05:03:43 PM
I did NOT claim any advantage   at all.   Al I posted was 2 EC Black OR Red. No Method of play was given to gnaw on.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: NathanDetroit on July 17, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
Tonla


I thought  his  system  were selling 2 for 99 cents at  e bay and Amazon.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: soxfan on July 17, 2016, 05:32:32 PM
Yup, it's that time again, hey hey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nuHBme6Qr0
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: BetJack on July 17, 2016, 09:19:46 PM
Thanks for the opinion of all involved in the discussion ...

Someone posts make me think very seriously

BETJACK
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: BetJack on July 18, 2016, 08:04:26 AM
Quote from: Sputnik on July 17, 2016, 10:47:59 AM

You can not use red and black the common way as you see them, is not the same way as to take advantage of the true nature of the game which is different.

The last 20 years you have have hit 5.59 SD once in Monte Carlo (in real Life) and several million simulation confirm it with 5.49 SD.
So you would not break the World record getting beyond.

There is no way to bet every single event from scratch and beat 6.0 SD you need at some Point reach some kind of virtuall mode Before.
I solve this.

And the solution is not what you Think it might be, as you can not rellay on regression as the main part to make it a winning method.
Your expectaion might be a very tiny regressopn and it can start growing again without you capitilazing.

For example after four hits you drop 1 SD and it can grow nine steps more to get back to the orignial postion and it can go back to back several times.
So the false postive with this method is that you belive that regression part will solve the solution when it boild down the worst and extreme, which not is the case.

you can not rellay on regression as the main part to make it a winning method.

this is the answer to my question.

...you can not rellay on regression as the main part to make it a winning method.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: BetJack on July 18, 2016, 08:57:15 AM
I write this because with my restricted brain's hard for me to understand some things
Let's try to imagine the long run or short run
made by many spins
let's imagine variance
Let for explanation of the variance we divide it into intervals of 1 SD
and we do not know an interval of 1 SD how many spins is
then we will have a line graphic
and we do not know what form will have the graphics
that which we know is that the variation in the graph will be no larger than the 6 SD
and  is not dependent on how long or short intervals are the graph will look
and certainly we do not know when it will start to descend on down or going up


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good! and from here what we can do

Albalaha says : I know within what limits the variation is changing so and my management of the bets will change as well

Sputnik says : We monitor and observe and attack using the virtual limit of 6 in our advantage so we victory

this is my understanding of their statements

BETJACK

Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 18, 2016, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: BetJack on July 18, 2016, 08:57:15 AM
I write this because with my restricted brain's hard for me to understand some things
Let's try to imagine the long run or short run
made by many spins
let's imagine variance
Let for explanation of the variance we divide it into intervals of 1 SD
and we do not know an interval of 1 SD how many spins is
then we will have a line graphic
and we do not know what form will have the graphics
that which we know is that the variation in the graph will be no larger than the 6 SD
and  is not dependent on how long or short intervals are the graph will look
and certainly we do not know when it will start to descend on down or going up


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good! and from here what we can do

Albalaha says : I know within what limits the variation is changing so and my management of the bets will change as well

Sputnik says : We monitor and observe and attack using the virtual limit of 6 in our advantage so we victory

this is my understanding of their statements

BETJACK




What we know for sure is only what happened, the rest are merely estimations, it can be correct or wrong.

But try not to cost you a lot when you are wrong, while you are right take as much as possible.

One wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong...
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: AsymBacGuy on July 18, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on July 18, 2016, 09:02:10 AM

What we know for sure is only what happened, the rest are merely estimations, it can be correct or wrong.

But try not to cost you a lot when you are wrong, while you are right take as much as possible.

One wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong...

Excellent comment.

as.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Albalaha on July 19, 2016, 03:39:05 AM
Making a plan to beat a particular data after seeing that, finding its peculiar weaknesses is what we call as "reverse engineering". That is no way to go ahead. Every session is different and every session pose a different set of challenge. The degree of variance may vary too. All these are not important. By putting a variety of variance through tough sessions(where losses surpass their natural ratio)we try to see if we can actually do with any idea in "not so good" cases too.
                 In two of my topics, viz. "anybody think..." and "Harsh sessions.." both one can see in my section I compiled various sessions touching even the boundary line of virtual limits and hardships that we keep facing time to time. I believe that these sessions together could make a nice compilation of "acid test" for any EC system. Unless a method can surpass most of them without needing tonnes of chips, that is no method.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: BetJack on July 19, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
I completely agree with you
this is why  I started to doing it

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BETJACK
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: TheLaw on July 19, 2016, 01:00:37 PM
I know that this has been discussed before.......but a large Labby (50+ lines).........including a degree of flexibility........might beat the right bet selection.

A large enough Labby can handle the blast of the worst loss in 200 spins. The question is where to start.........and where to finish.

Normal variance on EC (betting blind) is probably too risky.........but if you could buffer the extremes.......then a Labby might actually work.

Just my $.02.

Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 19, 2016, 01:15:03 PM
There are more efficient progressions than labby...have you ever heard the "golden pyramid"?
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: TheLaw on July 19, 2016, 06:59:19 PM
http://www.rp2.ru/sys_96.php (needs google translate)

Like this?
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: zuffle on July 19, 2016, 11:53:31 PM
Quote from: TheLaw on July 19, 2016, 06:59:19 PM
http://www.rp2.ru/sys_96.php (needs google translate)

Like this?

That link is a system.  Interesting one at that.  It is in English but the site is in Russian.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 20, 2016, 04:57:21 AM
Quote from: TheLaw on July 19, 2016, 06:59:19 PM
http://www.rp2.ru/sys_96.php (needs google translate)

Like this?

No, this is not.

Actually I 've checked it out, nothing new, just about biased numbers...
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: zuffle on July 20, 2016, 07:16:26 AM
Why don't you put us all out of our misery and tell us what the Golden Pyramid is Blue_Angel.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 20, 2016, 09:35:27 AM
It's certainly not out there, somewhere you could find it like a forum, it's private highly regarded.

Just do your own homework, it could be worth it!
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: zuffle on July 21, 2016, 12:24:22 AM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on July 20, 2016, 09:35:27 AM
It's certainly not out there, somewhere you could find it like a forum, it's private highly regarded.

Just do your own homework, it could be worth it!

Thanks for nothing, why mention if you are not going to share it.  Another masterbaitor to add to the list.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: albertojonas on July 21, 2016, 01:56:52 AM
Quote from: Albalaha on July 19, 2016, 03:39:05 AM
Making a plan to beat a particular data after seeing that, finding its peculiar weaknesses is what we call as "reverse engineering". That is no way to go ahead. Every session is different and every session pose a different set of challenge. The degree of variance may vary too. All these are not important. By putting a variety of variance through tough sessions(where losses surpass their natural ratio)we try to see if we can actually do with any idea in "not so good" cases too.
                 In two of my topics, viz. "anybody think..." and "Harsh sessions.." both one can see in my section I compiled various sessions touching even the boundary line of virtual limits and hardships that we keep facing time to time. I believe that these sessions together could make a nice compilation of "acid test" for any EC system. Unless a method can surpass most of them without needing tonnes of chips, that is no method.

If the wins surpass the expected just start playing with a stop loss within static frames of your method.
Title: Re: Why I fail in the long RUN ?
Post by: bjb007 on September 29, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Simple. You're betting on the wrong numbers.

Get my programme:

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