Well, now. To present this system I can say for sure it's a long term winner. Why? The only thing we know for sure, that will happen all the time is repeating numbers.
I did some experiments with hotnumbers and repeating numbers. But recent numbers in spin history is even hotter than hotnumbers. So, this is a fact. Based on this fact I've constructed a very simple system that has very high hitrate. Both on RNG and Live. It's througly tested and works amazingly well. I don't know what to say more? I'm just suprised no one has played this way before
Always bet the last 9 numbers in spin history. As a new number comes bet that one, and remove the oldest in spin history. This way we catch all repeters. Using a 9 number progression 1.1.1.2.2.3.4.5.7.9.12.16.22.30.40.55. (As a number hit, reset progression.) As repeaters happens very frequently you don't have to go very far in the progression.
I advice using some software to keep track of the numbers. Spinmaster or Roulette Xtreme. I could be done manually writing down numbers (playing live in a real casino)
I wish everybody luck, and it's time to make some serious money.
Cheers
Have you counted how many short lasted, "longterm winning systems" have you come up with by now? You should apply for Guinesses book in that subject, I am sure you will be the winner for this year :nod:
Will you ever learn that one way progressions lead to sure catastrophic losses longterm? (Unless you are JL)
I wonder how come isn't clear to you by now that you can't overcome ANY possible maximum losing streak in this game you can think of, betting on anything on the table with one way progression?? That way table limits are set for :upsidedown:
In your case considering this, just one of situations you would lose is if you would have 26 unique numbers in a row. Is it possible?You don't know.. but now take a guess...
Best
Drazen
Posted many times for many years! I have "invented" it as well. I am using seven numbers now, as the hit indicates it may be hotter, I add a chip on a hit. Do not progress fast, a RFH will come.
The pay out is so a very soft progression if any.
Quote from: Drazen on January 06, 2013, 02:58:56 PM
just one of situations you would lose is if you would have 26 unique numbers in a row. Is it possible?You don't know.. but now take a guess...
I never saw that happen.
Well, you
could use a more careful progression +1 for each 3rd spin. That would last much longer. It would require 2 hits close to eachother. But repeats happen
all the time. So, I don't see any reason to worry. This IS a long term winner. :D
This is not bad! But it will not work always. I have had methods working for month and got good winning. Take care at the end it can be much heavier.
It will looks like the casino knows, and react accordingly to sack you, but it is the nature of the game.
It is easy to see, every spin can be a loss, and as number can cluster losing spins can.
If a method works for 10000 sessions it can if not care is taken be a loser at the end.
I will play this until +2000 units. (live) I'm +1500 now. Then I'll play for real. I'm convinced this IS a long term winner, and I see no reason to worry. Repeats happen all the time. This is a universal law. It cannot change.
Quote from: Ralph on January 06, 2013, 03:01:01 PM
I am using seven numbers now, as the hit indicates it may be hotter, I add a chip on a hit. Do not progress fast, a RFH will come.
The pay out is so a very soft progression if any.
this is not a bad idea
tested it a bit and it did quite good
do you play it manually or with a bot?
how are your results with that? Is there a thread on it here?
@ ignatus
I hope you reach + 2000 and much more
repeats do happen but nothing in roulette is guaranteed
i saw 19 uniques numbers come up in a row a few times - that gets heavy on the progression real fast
will try to find them and see how your system would perform
edit:
I found one session that would eat your BR:
14
11
30
1
28
13
27
5
34
36
12
13
26
30
7
26
24
9
31
15
4
32
11
20
6
3
21
17
18
12
22
35
9
3
17
2
32
11
that would bust your 16 step progression
and I just started looking
sorry dude
start after the second number 26, from then it takes 18 spins to win
Hi ignatus,
I take my hat off to you for your work rate and confidence.
This is a good system but it is not a long term winner. The progression will kill you. I have tried this system with 3 numbers all the way up to 12 numbers. 9 numbers does well as does 7. Also had some good results with 4.
Please keep testing and do not play for real money just yet.
Trst me i have done this system to death and at one point i thought like you - How can it not win?
If you want me to run some spins with my bot for you to help testing i will. I can give you a text file with all the results.
Quote from: soggett on January 06, 2013, 03:45:58 PM
this is not a bad idea
tested it a bit and it did quite good
do you play it manually or with a bot?
how are your results with that? Is there a thread on it here?
I use mostly the bot, the script is in the bot.
I got a large win six month ago partly using this. IT CAN LOSE AS WELL stop at 1000 units, the recover from 400 is very common, and 100 a session is the target.
Use fun mode until you have confidence and know the method.
Ignatus, this has been done many times, I have also done it in the bot and tried from 1 number up to 18, 24 numbers, it gets out of hand, I just ran the test bot again for you to see what can happen, see the attached file, just over 1000 spins and the bank went down -38940 next progression was 1635 on each of the 9 numbers, that's Euros 389,40 in 1 cent bets!!
PS scroll down the file to where I TABED the results in for you to see
Quote from: Superman on January 06, 2013, 04:23:55 PM
Ignatus, this has been done many times, I have also done it in the bot and tried from 1 number up to 18, 24 numbers, it gets out of hand, I just ran the test bot again for you to see what can happen, see the attached file, just over 1000 spins and the bank went down -38940 next progression was 1635 on each of the 9 numbers, that's Euros 389,40 in 1 cent bets!!
PS scroll down the file to where I TABED the results in for you to see
superman, can you run it with the progression Ralph mentionted? flatbett until hit then if not in plus +1 on all numbers, and so on and so on
maybe it makes a difference?
@ Ralph
thanks, i think it is smart to play like that and go up after a hit :thumbsup:
@ sogget, done mate, forget this method and move on, my advice only of course
Quote from: soggett on January 06, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
superman, can you run it with the progression Ralph mentionted? flatbett until hit then if not in plus +1 on all numbers, and so on and so on
maybe it makes a difference?
@ Ralph
thanks, i think it is smart to play like that and go up after a hit :thumbsup:
I add just to the number hitting, not all seven. Try to catch the hottest.
Quote from: Ralph on January 06, 2013, 04:48:07 PM
I add just to the number hitting, not all seven. Try to catch the hottest.
oh, sry then, I missunderstood
@ superman
thank you very much for your effort
Quote from: shogun on January 06, 2013, 04:03:06 PM
Hi ignatus,
I take my hat off to you for your work rate and confidence.
This is a good system but it is not a long term winner. The progression will kill you. I have tried this system with 3 numbers all the way up to 12 numbers. 9 numbers does well as does 7. Also had some good results with 4.
Please keep testing and do not play for real money just yet.
Trst me i have done this system to death and at one point i thought like you - How can it not win?
If you want me to run some spins with my bot for you to help testing i will. I can give you a text file with all the results.
Yes, that would be nice. I thought playing now with +1 progression for each third spin. It will take longer to play but that progression will last much longer.
Progression line 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,5,6,6,6,7,7,7,8,8,8,9,9,9,10,10,10.... etc. Playing with 0.5 chips on DoublinBet that would be a 60 step progression before reaching table limit. If progression goes too far, afew close hits and you'd be recoverd.
I'm not sure a random number generator can be used to say this is not a working method (Superman). At real tables, in real play repeats will happen, +1 progression will save you, even if repeats will not
happen for 60 spins ??? That's very unrealistic
Quote from: ignatus on January 06, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
That's very unrealistic
I don't want to be harsh or play some smart guy, but only thing what is unrealistic is you, and especialy your approach to all this.
By approach I mean (and not only for this forum, and this thread) that even when someone with much more knowledge and experience , explains and warns you , you neglect and continue to drill the same thing or very similar like nothing happened.
C mon no one can have so flat learning curve, with no offense at all.
Actualy your agenda on forums and reasons/goals you have is questionable if you ask me, but that is just my opinion. No ofense please :) There is all kind of us here..
It seems to me like you just trying to discretly and in a strange way, provocate.. Like with this what you said
I'm not sure a random number generator can be used to say this is not a working method (Superman). At real tables, in real play repeats will happen, +1 progression will save you, even if repeats will not happen for 60 spins That's very unrealisticYou just have that newbie "profile" for too long and for too strange to be true.
And now don't delete this post like you did on RF.cc when I told you similar thing earlier.. That told me a lot also..
All the best
Drazen
Last word is not said yet.I won 245 units playing 2 hours.
Things are looking up!! I can see a full five inches of his shot. All the way down to the game number, which I can almost read.
Moderator's Warning To Drazen
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And don't think for one minute that stating "no offence" as you contiinue to insult the member let's you off the hook. It doesn't.
Your behaviour is NOT acceptable.
KINDLY. READ. THE. RULES -- and observe them. [And look up the word "inflammable" while you're there...]
An apology to Ignatus would also be appropriate.
Thanks esoito
The progression line for 9 numbers playing with 0.5 units on DublinBet:
0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 1 ,1, 1.5, 2.5, 3, 4, 6, 9 That's a 10 step progression for 9 numbers.
Or use the more careful progression +1 each third spin
0.5,0.5,0.5,1,1,1,1.5,1.5,1.5,2,2,2,2.5,2.5,2.5,3,3,3,3.5,3.5,3.5,4,4,4,4.5,4.5,4.5,5,5,5 ....until 10.
(That's a 60 step progression).When using this progression, remember 1 win within 1 cycle (3 spins) after one hit is the rule, or one hit during the first 3 spins or afew WLW sessions you'd be recoverd.
60 spin cycle is pretty strong. The trick using this one is to not reset after a hit, but continue progression until 2-3 hits, after this reset. In this way you'd be recoverd pretty soon
"Ignatius, this system is simply amazing.
Test completed!
I went until progression 30: 111 222 333 444 555 666 777 888 999 10 10 10
after that bet 1 1 1 1 1 until win * - i didn't have time to program the progression until step 60, maybe i will do it later- excel file too many ifs
In any case, in 65k spins only 2 were above 30, one at 34 another at 38.
Results as per attached file.
158701 units profit/ 65505 spins = 2,42 units profit per spin!
i rest my case.
PS: if you have any doubts, Give me any list so i can test it.
Regards
Alex"
I reached the 2000 barrier.+500 units from less than 3h live play 8)
OK
ignatus posted this same shot on the other forum. I can see all of it. Here I see down to 1/2 of the bet number. The bet count 1,xxx,xxx Just below the dealer's name.
It is not me, my computer or my dogs!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 07, 2013, 04:24:41 AM
OK
ignatus posted this same shot on the other forum. I can see all of it. Here I see down to 1/2 of the bet number. The bet count 1,xxx,xxx Just below the dealer's name.
It is not me, my computer or my dogs!
Sam
Sam. What webbrowser do you use. Version? Did you try with different one?
Quote from: esoito on January 07, 2013, 01:15:25 AM
Moderator's Warning To Drazen
It would be much better if you keep your opinions of a forum member to yourself rather than criticise him/her in public here.
And don't think for one minute that stating "no offence" as you contiinue to insult the member let's you off the hook. It doesn't.
Your behaviour is NOT acceptable.
KINDLY. READ. THE. RULES -- and observe them. [And look up the word "inflammable" while you're there...]
An apology to Ignatus would also be appropriate.
Ah, yes there is no anything from saying some things, because they can't be changed, and it is best to ignore them, especialy when you shouldnt and actualy don't give a damn for it... :drunk:
I uderstand sometimes some things just must look protocol well, although their true functionality is total... :footinmouth: and even if they are far away from something normal and reasonable, you have to stand them because upper institutions consider it jus protocol well.
Few people told me in private, that they personaly also think excatly what I said about ignatus, but who cares O:-)
[STOP IT!! You're doing it again!!]
Apology? Protocol? Ok I am sorry..
Eppur si muove! :forbidden:
Cheers
Drazen
Ophis
I use Firefox. I always upgrade when they tell me to, so I'm relatively sure I have the latest version. I will try looking at it with Internet Explorer.
Sam
I am now on internet explorer. It is the same.
Ralph sent me several pics by email and they are all fine. I can see everything.
Sam
Good fun this type of bet and seems to work well for me so far. I wait until there hasn't been a repeat for 9 spins then place my chips.
Is there a tracker for this?
Cheers
Paulus
Statistically, the best window to use is last five with no repeats back to back. Just Saying. Check stats for repeating numbers and notice were are the concentrations of hits.
I appreciate the guts of your progression. :nod:
Cheers :beer:
Does this system works?
Is there any tracker?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Does it work long-term?
Best Reqards
kawa4711
What was the largest draw-down in your tests ?
Best regards
kawa4711
Quote from: ignatus on January 07, 2013, 03:05:18 AM
"Ignatius, this system is simply amazing.
Test completed!
I went until progression 30: 111 222 333 444 555 666 777 888 999 10 10 10
after that bet 1 1 1 1 1 until win * - i didn't have time to program the progression until step 60, maybe i will do it later- excel file too many ifs
In any case, in 65k spins only 2 were above 30, one at 34 another at 38.
Results as per attached file.
158701 units profit/ 65505 spins = 2,42 units profit per spin!
i rest my case.
PS: if you have any doubts, Give me any list so i can test it.
Regards
Alex"
Who posted this ignatius? It says "Alex" but I can't find it in the thread.