I was just looking at the actuals Vic posted on his 'Double Trio Evolution (http://betselection.cc/straight-up/'double-trio'-evolution/)' thread and I wanted to share this with you guys because I see it a lot!
Back in a mo.....
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Have a look at the single zero wheel.
The right hand side.
2,4,6,8,10. BLACK LOW EVEN.
11,13,15,17. BLACK LOW ODD.
19,21,23,25,27. RED HIGH ODD.
30,32,34,36. RED HIGH EVEN.
The left hand side.
1,3,5,7,9. RED ODD LOW.
12,14,16,18. RED EVEN LOW.
20,22,24,26,28. BLACK EVEN HIGH.
29,31,33,35. BLACK ODD HIGH.
Look at how these groups come in 'swarms' in the pic above!
Numbers comes in swarms, but it is not a static phenomenia. Repeaters yes, I won most from it. We never know which to repeate, we have to gueess, and if we do it well, we win.
I used to play this on the older 'john huxley' wheels and had some good times with it!
I only thought to mention it because I had posted up the link to the Square-roulette method earlier today. Maybe the 2 of them can be combined somehow to come up with something!
cheers
Quote from: Ralph on December 27, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
Numbers comes in swarms, but it is not a static phenomenia. Repeaters yes, I won most from it. We never know which to repeate, we have to gueess, and if we do it well, we win.
I've seen this too! See my new strategy "Cluster Star" takes advantage of this phenomenon :D
http://betselection.cc/straight-up/cluster-star/msg5403/#msg5403 (http://betselection.cc/straight-up/cluster-star/msg5403/#msg5403)
Thanks ignatus! I will take a look! :thumbsup:
One thing I forgot to add!
I found it always worked best on alternating spins.
So suppose the 2,4,6,8,10 was showing.
You might get something like....
2
21
10
33
2
My record was about 6 alternating wins in a row and I can remember it was the 11, 13, 15 and 17. I walked out a happy man that day. ^-^
Human brain is designed to recognizing patterns.... just like faces.
its normal you see some sort of pattern here but there is infinite numbers of them and your eyes are seeing only few.
This thread reminds me of "is 23 followed by 32" stuff..... well it isint...
just our brain notice it easily. just like hours.. 21:21 22:22... are always the one we take notice of... but they are no different than 12:36
Hello Ophis!
I fully agree with you.
If we follow this logic we can only conclude that everything is a pattern : )
Yes. But the problem is that short term pattern is a part of longer term pattern and this pattern is a part of even longer pattern and so on...
that's why its REALLY hard to find any consistent bet, because all patterns we can notice are changing all the time.
I might add my 2 cents and add the idea of clumping being a "game necessity", which means the "global tendency" being to skip them since on a single spin there are more options for other numbers (not belonging to the small numerical group) to be spun... this is "countered" by the clumping of the numbers from the small numerical group, spinning several times in a cycle in order to obey the expected overall rate of shows, as dictated by the game's math.
Quote from: Ophis on December 27, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
Yes. But the problem is that short term pattern is a part of longer term pattern and this pattern is a part of even longer pattern and so on...
that's why its REALLY hard to find any consistent bet, because all patterns we can notice are changing all the time.
Still, by this logic there must even be a pattern to this overall picture.
It is not that roulette won't demonstrate this overall consistence, from small to large/fractiles but rather that the casinos are monopolizing on setting fixed parameters which will prevent us from taking advantage of this overall consistency.
Even though this may be the case I still fully believe that an overall advantage can be achieved.
QuoteI might add my 2 cents and add the idea of clumping being a "game necessity"
The most extreme case of course being the single number.
Since there are 36 other ways to land on a number, we see it's easy for a single number to be skipped in a set, and indeed we see
several numbers commonly skipped on each set of 37 spins.
We could say the hot numbers phenomenon can function as a "game evener".
Every 37 spins skipped by a number from the time a roulette wheel starts operating must be "evened-out" by other cycles on which this number is spun more than once. This is, the clump.
It's the natural way of the game for small numerical groups.
Can we take advantage of the clumping phenomenon? That's another story, since for many people the game is such as being 1-spin long only hence clumping is not existing at all. The way of considering/viewing clumping being a matter of personal taste entirely.
Well like I said....
'I used to play this on the older john huxley wheels'.
A lot of people do believe dealers can/could hit sections. I don't know if that is true or not to be honest. But these groups of numbers are all close to each other on the wheel.
It did seem to perform best on alternate spins which would give some credence to the ability for dealers to get into some kind of rhythm at times. (not all the time)
I looked out for these groups specifically hotting up and what I can say is that I am 100% certain I won more than I lost playing them.
The new wheels are a different ball game where the ball dances all over the place. It just catched my eye looking at Vic's picture in his thread because the groups stood out like a sore thumb hitting the way I have seen them do many times in the past.
cheers
Quote from: VLS on December 27, 2012, 11:15:10 PM
Every 37 spins skipped by a number from the time a roulette wheel starts operating must be "evened-out" by other cycles on which this number is spun more than once. This is, the clump.
Of course, the opposite of this is true. You could say for every extra appearance of a number in a 37-spin cycle, then a no-show must correspond.
The "Game necessity" global effect could be a "no-show" clump for a number. But unlike the open possibility of capturing a single hot number for a plus it's actually impossible to take of advantage this no-show clump, since covering 36 numbers is the break even point by payout.
just small off topic....
Flukey... are you planing to share your another version of System 9? the one based on splits? or is it forgotten?
Who might I ask is Flukey on this forum Ophis?
As in Flukey Luke?
oh... ok then. I just thought i could expand s9 bot.
either way you shoudnt feel bad.
here are statistics of REAL money of users that actually were playing for real your system. make calculations yourself and decide if what you have shared was pointless.
PS. Columns with 0.25 and 100 are irrelevant and not used for anything in this bot.
Bally
Is this the same screen shot Vic posted? This is the first screen shot I can actually see. I see one inch of the top of his!
Sam
Sam
Yes! It's the same pic Vic posted in his 'revolution' thread.
I just went to Spielbank and took a snapshot of the same day using 'screenhunter' picture capture.
Thank you Ophis! :thumbsup: