This strategy is based on a very frequent pattern I found on the live-wheel. it's dozens hit in sequence 1,2,3 or 3,2,1. (Note. This is not ordinary dozens on the carpet. It's dozens on the livewheel)
A random session taken from livespin
LWWWWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWLWLWWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWLLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWL
As you can see winrate is high. 51/66= 77% winrate.
This is how I play it: Wait for trigger doz 1,2 movement then bet doz 3 for 3 spins OR trigger doz 3,2 then bet doz 1 for 3 spins. (this is one session)
Progression +1 progression after 1 session of 3 spins, +1 bet if next session of 3 spins is lost and so on until hit. Progression reset after 2 sessions in a row is won.
Bankroll needed: I would say enough money to cover 3 losses in a row (this is a worst case scenario) a LLL-session calculating with 12 chips =doz 1 bet (doz 2 bet is 9 units)
So, to cover a LLL-session 12+12+12+12*2+12*2+12*2+12*3+12*3+12*3= 216 units is needed.
This can be easily played at real casinos, just write this down on a piece of paper (and notice the sequence, and you'll know when to bet) This is based on the Real European Wheel:
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,5,8,10,11,16,20,23,24,30,33,36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
or use any of the simple trackers:
Ignatus,
It can be a milestone if what u claim is correct.
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Nice LW-Registry ...
Quote from: albalaha on January 25, 2013, 01:28:46 PM
Ignatus,
It can be a milestone if what u claim is correct.
Yes. :D Lowest hitrate I've seen is 63% Still playing a
very bad session you'll win more than you lose, that's my experience.
You can study the "123 Move" from these live spins
This pattern is reccuring like this (see the chart!)
1
2
3
or
3
2
1
Quote from: ignatus on January 25, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
This is how I play it: Wait for trigger doz 1,2 movement then bet doz 3 for 3 spins OR trigger doz 3,2 then bet doz 1 for 3 spins. (this is one session)
ignatus, I don't get your trigger,
movement..? what movement..?
Quote from: topcat888 on January 25, 2013, 06:59:34 PM
ignatus, I don't get your trigger, movement..? what movement..?
It's when doz 1 is hit then doz 2 hits (in a sequence):
This is a trigger for betting dozen 3or when doz 3, doz 2 hits (in sequence)
This is trigger for betting dozen 1
When I first saw this I misunderstood it. I can't get any data from the excel files. If there was data formatted as .txt that would help.
My experience with sleeping dozens is, to say the least, extensive. This system has an obvious death sequence. Whenever dozen 1 or 3 is a long sleeper you get a bunch of triggers without a chance of a winner. I have a program that searches for sleeping dozens. It catches everything from 5 to 20 sleeper in a row and reports how many happened in a 300 spin session.
Here is some more truth for you to learn. Those pet dozens created for the inside act no different than the layout dozens or columns. The same number of death sequences are common to all sets of dozens. Randomness treats it all the same because all modern wheels tend to be random. This belief that there is a difference is a magical belief. So I hope this helps you as you discover more truth about this game. If you can program then you can prove it to yourself. The more proof you know, the better off you will be.
This was an idea from rolf harris: (231-move & 213-move) That is the same pattern basically. (the wheel is round) this pattern should be included in gameplay.
123-move: LWLLWWWWWWWWLWWLWLWWWWLLWW Winrate 18/26 = 69%
321-move: WWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWLLW winrate 20/26 = 77%
231-move: WWLWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL winrate 23/26 = 88%
213-move: LWLWWWWWLWLWWWLWWWLLWWLWLW winrate 17/26 = 65%
Average winrate: 75%
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 25, 2013, 08:12:51 PM
When I first saw this I misunderstood it. I can't get any data from the excel files. If there was data formatted as .txt that would help.
My experience with sleeping dozens is, to say the least, extensive. This system has an obvious death sequence. Whenever dozen 1 or 3 is a long sleeper you get a bunch of triggers without a chance of a winner. I have a program that searches for sleeping dozens. It catches everything from 5 to 20 sleeper in a row and reports how many happened in a 300 spin session.
Here is some more truth for you to learn. Those pet dozens created for the inside act no different than the layout dozens or columns. The same number of death sequences are common to all sets of dozens. Randomness treats it all the same because all modern wheels tend to be random. This belief that there is a difference is a magical belief. So I hope this helps you as you discover more truth about this game. If you can program then you can prove it to yourself. The more proof you know, the better off you will be.
I'm sorry Gizmotron, but you haven't played this
You haven't you studied this "123-pattern" I proved from the livespins.
So, how can you be so sure about this when you have
no idea what it's all about??
I'll wait for you to figure this out. This forum is so loaded with people that are the greatest roulette players in the entire world. I just told you where just one of the major pitfalls are. I could care less if you want me to believe all this. You "winners" have some huge lessons coming your way. When I did all this, I had $5 minimum bets. Back then the lessons where painful. Now days they let you play with penny bets.
Like they say, " no pain, no gain."
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 25, 2013, 09:15:13 PM
I'll wait for you to figure this out. This forum is so loaded with people that are the greatest roulette players in the entire world. I just told you where just one of the major pitfalls are. I could care less if you want me to believe all this. You "winners" have some huge lessons coming your way. When I did all this, I had $5 minimum bets. Back then the lessons where painful. Now days they let you play with penny bets.
Like they say, " no pain, no gain."
I don't know what i should learn? You learn by study the livespins (and to find a very obvious and reccuring pattern) This i did. Yes dozen sleep? So what, when it hits, it hits. Sleeping dozens do not relate to this system. It's about a very peculiar pattern that repeats itself very frequently,
no matter how you play it.The average hitrate is 75% (Try playing it, and you'll see yourself?)
But this is being tested and tweaked now.
Can't you see that if dozen #3 sleeps for 16 spins in a row, and that you could have as many as three or four triggers, that the third dozen won't appear. All those triggers will lose. That's what sleepers have to do with this.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 25, 2013, 09:28:38 PM
Can't you see that if dozen #3 sleeps for 16 spins in a row, and that you could have as many as three or four triggers, that the third dozen won't appear. All those triggers will lose. That's what sleepers have to do with this.
OK you got a point there
that could happen, yes. Still, it doesn't happen often enough that this method would not be successful
I don't want to write a sim for this.
Like we covered on the other board...your wins need to be large enough to be meaningful against the losses... which are inevitable...just sayin'
Bet selection...just like Gizmo said...and it you get a 15 or 20 spin sleeper...you're gonna get lots of triggers...because it's just going to keep bouncing back and forth and every bounce is a trigger if you are playing all flow combinations. The only way you survive it is with long streaks of the other two dozens and very minimal chopping...which isn't likely in that scenario. (yes it's possible...but it only takes once against a small bankroll to put you out of business on this type of method)
You can speculate it won't work. That's just wrong. Facts are different from fiction.
Take a short look at the patterns reccuring all over (see livespins I've posted) OR Play it, you'll see
I test two similiar ways toward this one.
First one is based upon that you follow the first hit dozen until six loses.
Then you follow the last hit dozen until a win or six loses.
This make dozen hit in pairs for six times with no show twice with one particular dozen.
Sometimes you can pass 300 trails making 1K and sometimes it just fail/tank.
Now you could use that strategy based upon the same principal as your method with the same random element as above.
Now lest say dozen 1 and 2 hit and you play three attempts that dozen 3 should show.
It does not, then you wait until dozen 3 show and take the previos dozen befor it and next play the missing dozen for three attempts.
There is many ways to twist this kind of games with dozen.
This one you mention can get very long losing runs.
One dozen can sleep for 32 times in a row.
But i am sure that if you clustering the selection towards other random elements like random against random, then you can blaim lady luck when you lose it all.
The nice thing with the strategy is that you can build a pretty solid staking plain into many different levels, where the ending levels is pure recovery mood winning back 10 20 30 40 50 % of your bankroll.
So you could have a lot of action and fun with this kind of play.
Are you playing this Live or RNG?
his is a wheel-dozen pattern, not ordinary dozens.
"One dozen can sleep for 32 times in a row" Yes, (that's an extreme case). Losses happens. But patterns do not appear all the time, and when they appear they hit. Normal winrate is 75% never less than 60%
It looks like this where each sequential cycle has three shows based upon i wrote.
WLWLWLWWLLWW
2
3
1 W
2 W
3 W
1 W
3 L
2 W
1 W
2 L
2 L
1 L
3
3 L
2 W
3 L
3 L
2 L
3
3
3
2
3
2
3
1
3 L
2 W
3 L
2 L
2 L
3
3
1
3 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
3 L
2
3
1
2 W
3 W
1 W
3 L
3 L
1 L
2
1 L
1 L
3 W
2 W
3 L
2 L
3 L
3
3
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1
2 W
1 L
1 L
3 W
3 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 L
1 L
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Quote from: ignatus on January 25, 2013, 11:46:28 PM
Are you playing this Live or RNG?
his is a wheel-dozen pattern, not ordinary dozens.
"One dozen can sleep for 32 times in a row" Yes, (that's an extreme case). Losses happens. But patterns do not appear all the time, and when they appear they hit. Normal winrate is 75% never less than 60%
I did not understand what you mean by that "wheel-dozen pattern"
I know that the numbers on the wheel is not in the same order as the table.
Are you saying you use the number rings layout and not the table layout.
Not sure i get your drift correct ...
It is a nice "out of the box" approach but as Gizmo said and my personal experiences taught me, any betselection will get big sleeping time and those who are not prepared to handle that or believe that "it won't happen to me"lose all bankroll at some point of time.
If you guys want to excel the game, work over handling bad sessions than expecting magically good ones. When you get a good session, you will win without much efforts.
The wheel or the layout is not the way to beat roulette longterm for me. Keep in mind the history and beliefs about this game being impossible to beat longterm.
COME EXACTLY FROM THOSE PLACES. The average Joe turns up at the casino and bets against the wheel or layout. And the average Joe loses longterm.
The way to do it, is create your own matrix or layout. Scrutinize randoms behaviour in a different playground. Your findings can be life changing.
Legere Auctoris signature sicut innocentem pro Ignatius. Necesse est enim tempus quando stetit.
I can see a bad run rather frequent, if the wheel is live or RNG. On the other hand it may hold for a while.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 26, 2013, 05:25:02 AM
The wheel or the layout is not the way to beat roulette longterm for me. Keep in mind the history and beliefs about this game being impossible to beat longterm.
COME EXACTLY FROM THOSE PLACES. The average Joe turns up at the casino and bets against the wheel or layout. And the average Joe loses longterm.
The way to do it, is create your own matrix or layout. Scrutinize randoms behaviour in a different playground. Your findings can be life changing.
How would you know? They don't say "the blind leading the blind" for nothing.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2013, 05:59:29 AM
How would you know? They don't say "the blind leading the blind" for nothing.
How would I know? I won't even answer that. The numbers will talk for me this year.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 26, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
How would I know? I won't even answer that. The numbers will talk for me this year.
You don't have to wait, they're talking for you already.
Ask Bayes..
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 26, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
How would I know? I won't even answer that. The numbers will talk for me this year.
You mean you won't dignify it. You are as clueless as to imply my ignorance as your own. But I'm not the one telling everyone to wait, you'll see.
Quote from: spike on January 26, 2013, 06:17:12 AM
You don't have to wait, they're talking for you already.
Ask Bayes..
No Spike you need to pay more attention to what's going on. When I say NUMBERS. I mean the thing that wakes most people up. HARD CASH. You will be talking until the end. Like me or hate me. This year people get to know im for real.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2013, 06:24:05 AM
You mean you won't dignify it. You are as clueless as to imply my ignorance as your own. But I'm not the one telling everyone to wait, you'll see.
Giz talk has its limits. I did enough of it. You and your accomplice do nothing but it. You may aswell get as much attacks and slander in as you can between now and July.
After July your words will be empty and pointless. The only thing that matters will be on this forum for all to see. And ongoing to even greater levels. So continue.
This was one Live session playing with all the combinations of the same 123-pattern/move:132, 321, 213, 312, ,231,132
]WWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWLLWWWLWLWWWWWWWL
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All i can say and being honest, that is one very tight LW-Registry.
That is why i get back to your first post to see what its all about.
1. I can see that you use the wheel layout (the number ring) that is a good sign.
Now i have a Huxley wheel at home and will try this with some spins to see if i can get the same results.
2. I am not so sure i understand the bet selection do.
I see 12 then bet 3 for three attempts or any other combination using the previos two.
Is that correct.
Quote from: Sputnik on January 26, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
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All i can say and being honest, that is one very tight LW-Registry.
That is why i get back to your first post to see what its all about.
1. I can see that you use the wheel layout (the number ring) that is a good sign.
Now i have a Huxley wheel at home and will try this with some spins to see if i can get the same results.
2. I am not so sure i understand the bet selection do.
I see 12 then bet 3 for three attempts or any other combination using the previos two.
Is that correct.
"I see 12 then bet 3 for three attempts or any other combination using the previos two. Is that correct."
Yes, and use +1 progression for each session (one session is 3 spins) Reset at two sessions won in a row.
Try betting on all patterns (same move) 132,321,213,231,312,132
I look forward to your results!
cheers
Wheel dozen numbers with all possible splits
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
Ignatus why do you think wheel based dozens should and will "behave" different then carpet ones?
Becasue you played jus few spins and it worked? :'(
I can tell you one thing. I have seen simulations of few different dozen methods, where first were used carpet and then wheel dozens.
Concerning any, even slightest significant difference in behaving, results were like this yellow fellow tells you... :yuck:
But I agree with you in one thing for sure: Never give up! (but don't victoriously claim something what isn't true, and tested on no more then 10 spins)
Cheers
Drazen
I think it's strange some people saying this won't work, yada yada yada... ??
These result speak for themselves. One session played just now at DublinBet Table 1:
LWWLWWWWLWLWWWWWLWLWWWWWLLWWWW Winrate 22/30 = 73%
So, please stop talking s**t about something you have no idea about! Something you never seen (the patterns reccuring) and something you have never played!
Thank you
Everything in roulette recurrs, true. But unfortunately not so ideal as you would like to. don't worry soon you ll spot that also.
Good luck
Drazen
To anyone who thinks wheel based groups of numbers are the same as carpet based groups of numbers, I strongly disagree.
Ignatus: Break your spins down into CW and CCW directions and you may learn even more!! What you are doing here has a basis in physics and logic.
So many new ideas are met with ridicule--until they work. Then the naysayers come forward. Here's what a lot of them say:
Why, I thought of that years ago. I just never had time to do it.
I wrote all that down on paper years ago and the dog chewed it up.
If I had the money, I would have patented that idea.
My wife and I talked about that for ages. Don't know why we didn't just do it.
Let me give you a paraphrase of wisdom I once read: The man who tries and fails in infinitely better than the thousands who sit on the sidelines telling him it won't work.
It's the one out of a thousand that actually does something in this world.
You could be the one; don't give up!
Sam
TCS i alredy mention that he could add physical paramters towards it.
Like raping a wheel into parmeters that show cause and effect.
You can take release, crossovers and rotor and final drop - works with tilted and level wheels.
I'll bet you could tilt a wheel at a 10% incline, record 10,000 spins and then do the same with a perfectly level wheel and no one could tell the difference.
A level wheel is a straw man!
Think about it from a physics point of view.
Sam
Thanks Sam :D
+1000 from this session played just now at DublinBet
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 26, 2013, 10:33:25 AM
You will be talking until the end. Like me or hate me.
I don't do either. I dismiss you as irrelevant.
Sorry to break it to you..
Quote from: ignatus on January 26, 2013, 11:29:47 AM
"I see 12 then bet 3 for three attempts or any other combination using the previos two. Is that correct."
Yes, and use +1 progression for each session (one session is 3 spins) Reset at two sessions won in a row.
Try betting on all patterns (same move) 132,321,213,231,312,132
I look forward to your results!
cheers
Can you explain what you mean by reset at two sessions in a row?
You mean 12 3Won 1Won re track?
Cheers
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 27, 2013, 08:25:25 AM
But it makes no difference success is success.
Exactly! :thumbsup: The scoffers and naysayers will perhaps never experience the golden dawn of this realisation.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 27, 2013, 02:15:30 PM
Can you explain what you mean by reset at two sessions in a row?
You mean 12 3Won 1Won re track?
Cheers
One session is three spins. So +1 After one session is lost: next session +1. When 2 session in a row is won Reset (win within 3+3 spins in sequence)The other option is play four step progression: 1, 1, 2 3 (Suggested by Spin4fun)
what do i reset?
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 27, 2013, 03:31:26 PM
what do i reset?
Reset progression. Start over with 1 unit bet
+2000 total win today!!
Playing for 3 hours at DublinBet
I started with a bankroll 4000 (I've lost because I tried flatbetting with maximum bet wasn't so good!) Anyway now I played with spin4fun' progression 1,1,2,3. With betsize 4,4,6,8 (10) after that 10 units is maximum bet... Later I played progression 5,5,7,7,9,9 (10). (Not real money) Longest losing run 7-8 spins
Cheers 8)
well done. Keep it up.
+1000 won!
At DublinBet 1-2 hours play
This was a session over 3 days. (I haven't played much, really) first i won 500, then 500, then lost 400 (dangerous progression, yes) now I won 400. Works good even with a short progression that I use 1,1,2,3,(4): My Bet: 2,2,4,6,8 (10). If you lose 7-8 spins, then BR -400-500 etc
cheers 8)
You do it all wrong.
You should develop a march that catch a sequential window of events and attack once.
Then the staking plan into different levels.
But you just listen to your self so you will never learn.
I'm not doing it wrong.
I'm test playing it it and it works very good! :D
I had already made a simple tracker for the Wheel Sector
could be useful .....
(https://betselection.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2F34sjddx.jpg&hash=2ff41c008246c7d9e96f924b183f979a12a6fe0b)
I attach here.... :cheer:
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Hi Ignatus,
How do you play it right now:
1. all patterns at once ?
2. What if a second pattern occurs when you are betting the first trigger, ex.
doz 1
doz 2 now bet doz 3
doz 1 lose, now continu betting 3 for 3 spins or just the 2 that are left
3. Do you still only bet 3 spins after a trigger or continu for the 7-8 spins with progression ?
Thanx for this nice bet selection !!
Quote from: peauke on January 30, 2013, 08:09:02 AM
Hi Ignatus,
How do you play it right now:
1. all patterns at once ?
2. What if a second pattern occurs when you are betting the first trigger, ex.
doz 1
doz 2 now bet doz 3
doz 1 lose, now continu betting 3 for 3 spins or just the 2 that are left
3. Do you still only bet 3 spins after a trigger or continu for the 7-8 spins with progression ?
Thanx for this nice bet selection !!
1. "all patterns at once ?" Yes, 123, 321, 231, 213, 132, 312 (These are all possible 123-moves)
2
"What if a second pattern occurs when you are betting the first trigger, ex." That cannot happen, only doubletriggers can be hit (or repeats etc) ex doz1, doz2; Now bet on doz3, so whatever combination of doz1 or doz2 that's still a doz3 trigger.3. "Do you still only bet 3 spins after a trigger or continu for the 7-8 spins with progression ?" I play now with a 9 step progression with 0.5 chips (Maximum bet 10 units):
0,5 - 0,5 - 1 - 1,5 - 2,5 - 4 - 5,5 - 8,5 - 10
I've had 100% winrate playing with that progression: WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW (Latest session +500)
If my math is right you are risking 816 (12 numbers) units and a hit on your last step leaves you at -96 units?
Quote from: soggett on January 30, 2013, 09:13:55 AM
If my math is right you are risking 816 (12 numbers) units and a hit on your last step leaves you at -96 units?
How can it be 816u? Explain more, (Last step is reaching table limit-)
Quote from: ignatus on January 30, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
How can it be 816u? Explain more, (Last step is reaching table limit-)
your progression:
1+1+2+3+5+8+11+17+20 = 68 *12 (numbers bet) = 816 units
and on the last step if you win are at -96 units
your gain per step is:
24,12,24,24,36,48,24,36,-96
am I wrong?
I have begin to test my actual live spins with this betselection (only betting on 123 or 321).
I have tested the first 50 sessions (total 300 sessions, with a total of 10000 spins). Well i must say it looks pretty good. The system could have some hugh drawdowns in a session but it almost always recover. I think a BR of minimal 1000 units per session is advised and at lifetime BR of 5 times the session BR.
Well for now i am +7764 units with almost 3500 spins and 50 sessions. I have attached per session what the profit/loss is and a graph to illustrate the profit gain.
I play progression 1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, etc. When win in the first 4 bets i reset to 1. When i need to bet 5 and more i wil -2 on a win and try to get a double win so i recover. I reset if i recoverd totaly are as close to my last high profit.
I only play 12...3 and 32....1. I have seen sleeping dozens up to 23 spins.
I hope to update the next 50 sessions tomorrow :thumbsup:
Quote0,5 - 0,5 - 1 - 1,5 - 2,5 - 4 - 5,5 - 8,5 - 10
last step of this progression is bad because we lose 48 units (it should be 12,5 instead of 10)
This system looks good but now we have to found progression and mm.
Quote from: Smoczoor on January 30, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
last step of this progression is bad because we lose 48 units (it should be 12,5 instead of 10)
This system looks good but now we have to found progression and mm.
"last step of this progression is bad because we lose 48 units (it should be 12,5 instead of 10)" I know. It was a compromise because 10 is the table maximum at DublinBet for inside bets.
QuoteI know. It was a compromise because 10 is the table maximum at DublinBet for inside bets.
I know that you know that. Guy who discovered this system isn't unintelligent ;D I wrote it for others. (There are many casinos without low limits).
Btw I like peauke progression :thumbsup:
I'm thinking of playing this for real. I could make 500€/day
Update on my actuals test.
I have checked 100 sessions. It is about 5300 spins in total. From session 61 and further the sessions are shorter because at the time i was testing other system wich needed less spins. You can see that if you are in a losing streak within a short session you cannot recover so the last 50 sessions has less profit then the first 50 sessions.
Please note recovery can also cause more loss so a stop-loss is recommended (session BR is stop-loss).
For now i have a plus 11000 units with 100 sessions (about 5300 spins) :thumbsup: still going good, but time will tell.
Quote from: ignatus on January 30, 2013, 12:44:48 PM
I'm thinking of playing this for real. I could make 500€/day
You could make that a day, but remember there are also losing days/ sessions so be prepared for that.
I would say good luck 8)
ignatus
If I knew the hard-and-fast rules, I might hire Stef and Nick to program their Excel bot to play this on Dublin. (I don't know what it would cost me, so I say might.)
Sam
Exel tracker has already been made?: http://betselection.cc/straight-up/the-123-move/msg8630/#msg8630 (http://betselection.cc/straight-up/the-123-move/msg8630/#msg8630)
You only need the numbers... no tracker/bot neccesary to play, really
QuoteI'm thinking of playing this for real. I could make 500€/day
Whoa... In my country 500 Euro is above average monthly wage. If i win 20 Euro / day I'm very happy.
Quote from: Smoczoor on January 30, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
Whoa... In my country 500 Euro is above average monthly wage. If i win 20 Euro / day I'm very happy.
It's not very hard:
look at this+500 won!!Playing less than 2 hours at DublinBetI used progression for 12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
I played: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9
are you playing for real right now ?
Could you please tell me how you would play the following dozens:
1
2
2
3
1
1
2
3
2
2
2
2
3
1
1
2
3
1
1
2
3
2
3
3
2
1
2
3
just put after a dozen which dozen you would bet.
thanx :)
Quote from: peauke on January 31, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
are you playing for real right now ?
Could you please tell me how you would play the following dozens:
1
2
2
3
1
1
2
3
2
2
2
2
3
1
1
2
3
1
1
2
3
2
3
3
2
1
2
3
just put after a dozen which dozen you would bet.
thanx :)
This is wheeldozens im playing,
not ordinary dozens1
2 Trigger 1,2- Bet 3
2
3 win. (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
2
2
2
2
3
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
2
3
3
2
1 win (Trigger 2,1 -Bet 3)
2
3 win
Progression 12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21Wheeldozen numbers:
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
This is wheeldozens im playing, not ordinary dozens. Yes i know that is the beauty if this system that its wheel based.
1
2 Trigger 1,2- Bet 3
2
3 win. (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1 lose 1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
2 lose 1
2 lose 2
2 lose 3, do you continue or wait for next trigger
2
3 trigger (2,3 - bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1 lose 1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1 lose 1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
2 lose 1
3 lose 2
3 lose 3
2 lose 4
1 win (Trigger 2,1 -Bet 3)
2 lose 1
3 win
I would like to now if you are betting a 9 step progression after a trigger or only 3 bets, see example. Because if you are betting a 9 step progression after a trigger you can have hugh drawdowns, even lose complete BR.
I have had sessions when there where sleeping dozens from 14 to 23 spins, so a progression of 9 would have been a loss.
Just my observation.
for the rest keep up the good work :thumbsup:
Quote from: peauke on January 31, 2013, 12:05:46 PM
This is wheeldozens im playing, not ordinary dozens. Yes i know that is the beauty if this system that its wheel based.
1
2 Trigger 1,2- Bet 3
2
3 win. (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1 lose 1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
2 lose 1
2 lose 2
2 lose 3, do you continue or wait for next trigger
2
3 trigger (2,3 - bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1 lose 1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
1 win (Trigger 3,1 -Bet 2)
1 lose 1
2 win (Trigger 1,2 -Bet 3)
3 win (Trigger 2,3 -Bet 1)
2 lose 1
3 lose 2
3 lose 3
2 lose 4
1 win (Trigger 2,1 -Bet 3)
2 lose 1
3 win
I would like to now if you are betting a 9 step progression after a trigger or only 3 bets, see example. Because if you are betting a 9 step progression after a trigger you can have hugh drawdowns, even lose complete BR.
I have had sessions when there where sleeping dozens from 14 to 23 spins, so a progression of 9 would have been a loss.
Just my observation.
for the rest keep up the good work :thumbsup:
"I have had sessions when there where sleeping dozens from 14 to 23 spins, so a progression of 9 would have been a loss." I have never seen such losses. After a trigger is bet longest losing streak is in reality 7-8 spins
Quote from: ignatus on January 31, 2013, 04:28:40 PM
After a trigger is bet longest losing streak is in reality 7-8 spins[/size][/font]
:)) very funny. keep on dreaming...
i think you should start playing with your own real money... can't wait for the results.
Quote from: Ophis on January 31, 2013, 05:05:20 PM
:)) very funny. keep on dreaming...
i think you should start playing with your own real money... can't wait for the results.
Very funny? It's true.
ignatus
Beware of thinking it can't go X. It can usually go X + 1 and will do it.
You're one of the good guys! Just be careful.
Sam
Here's a trigger for you. Count to ten, open your wallet, grab all you money, light it on fire, and scratch your head. Next, take the clue.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 31, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Here's a trigger for you. Count to ten, open your wallet, grab all you money, light it on fire, and scratch your head. Next, take the clue.
Stop talking s***
It can go for long time, but it as well can bust fast. If it just win enough before you will have some from it. The bust is a matter of time, believing anything else is ignorance. All game has risks. So it is possible you will win, and maybe a lot, it is possible you will lose a lot too. Use funds you can spare!
Hi Ignatus.
I don't play the numbers....BUT i do enjoy your POSITIVE posts within forum-land wherever i see them.
Please continue...you have my vote.
All the best.
Dino.
Ignatus...why do you not ever listen to people who have far more experience in testing, study and play than you?
No one here is trying to beat you down...we offer constructive advice and then you get offended and it spirals a little outta control sometimes.
I can recall on another board being scolded by you for "complaining too much" when I tried to offer a voice of reason because you had invented the grail which I knew did not work...(this is just a month ago)...you would not listen to reason. Your minions had run thousands and thousands of spins with defective math and were ready to own the casinos. You continued to deride me and within 12 hours of the holy grails discovery it was fully tested, annoited, and anyone with a voice of reason shouted down...oh yeah..and then it was removed because of faulty math, faulty logic and it crashed and burned... And...it did so in such a dramatic way that you removed the entire thread as if it had never happened.
Do you get your kicks by starting these kind of threads and then just try to keep punking people?
Just askin'. Real players try to help you and everytime we all come away with the same feeling...every single friggin time. I am sure I am not speaking solely for myself. I do not know Gizmo or Ophis...have never talked to either. But I've read their posts, and I've read yours. You may not agree but you should take counsel and respond with a little dignity. Take it for what it's worth.
Now just a tidbit on your 123-Move. It's a 12 or 13 number bet with basically 3 sets of 3 fixed wheel sectors. You just linked wheel sectors 1,2 and 3 together and called it dozen 1...wheel sectors 4,5 and 6 together...dozen 2. Wheel sectors 7,8 and 9 together...dozen three. It's not revolutionary. You are talking to people like they have never bet wheel sectors before. We have...we do.
Some sector methods play the center sector and the two neighbors, sometimes people take the last number hit and it's direct 6 neighbors on either side (keeping with your dozens theme). Some are looking for hot numbers and other sleepers, others are looking for patterns such as your 1.2.3 or 3.2.1. People are speaking from experience that you are not giving them credit for because anybody that has been on the forums or around the wheels for any length of time have seen it, done it and know what the upside and downside of these methods are. We are trying to tell you.
Many methods can be great if they are just 10% new. Just a little different slant at the way you look at something. Change the trigger, change a progression, implement mid-stream stop-losses...the list goes on and on so far as the tweaks that make a decent method an exceptional method. The problem is many of the best tweaks make the methods difficult to track and play in live wheel sessions and that has to be taken into consideration as well. There are many players on these forums that can be a great asset to you...don't keep driving everyone away and wondering aloud why no one will help you test today's great idea.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 31, 2013, 05:34:27 PM
ignatus
Beware of thinking it can't go X. It can usually go X + 1 and will do it.
You're one of the good guys! Just be careful.
Sam
it can go X + X too :D
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 31, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Here's a trigger for you. Count to ten, open your wallet, grab all you money, light it on fire, and scratch your head. Next, take the clue.
;D ;D
Ignatus please listen to other people, If you say you have seen it go to 7-8 do you not think it can then go to double that?
if you play this with your money you will lose it - friendly advice
if you don't belive us go and try it - just use small stakes so you don't lose too much
Quote from: soggett on February 01, 2013, 06:33:43 AM
it can go X + X too :D
;D ;D
Ignatus please listen to other people, If you say you have seen it go to 7-8 do you not think it can then go to double that?
if you play this with your money you will lose it - friendly advice
if you don't belive us go and try it - just use small stakes so you don't lose too much
I won 4000, playing live. Never got a very bad streak so far, 7-8 spins without hit at most. TRUE. There may be extreme cases, but then one can play with stoploss at 4 losses in a row to prevet that.
Think it's bad people claiming this strategy won't work when they haven't played it.
Ignatus,when you say you play live,do you mean Live-Dealer ?
Quote from: dino246 on February 01, 2013, 11:12:25 AM
Ignatus,when you say you play live,do you mean Live-Dealer ?
yes, live roulette. Played again at DublinBet won +500 in less than 100 spins.
Thank you for your answer.
I will try and help with this concept of yours by revisiting my Live Dealer B+M spins and report the results.
As i have posted before,i don't play number methods but as i always note down the spin-numbers even though i only bet D/C vertical matrix,i sense this idea is worth the effort as you have done.
Hopefully other members might follow suite,BUT only with Live spins.
Quote from: ignatus on February 01, 2013, 11:05:48 AM
I won 4000, playing live. Never got a very bad streak so far, 7-8 spins without hit at most. TRUE. There may be extreme cases, but then one can play with stoploss at 4 losses in a row to prevet that.
Think it's bad people claiming this strategy won't work when they haven't played it.
Ignatus if its working for you its working. don't be put off by the detractors who say mechanical trigger based methods don't work.
They work fine. The arrogance of people who swear they know better without even showing us a working method never fails to amaze me. So keep playing and winning. 2013 is the year that trigger based methods and progressions come of age.
The realization that consistent winning with THE RIGHT METHODS that use such pratices is very possible. Will start to enter into alot more minds by years end.
Quote from: ignatus on February 01, 2013, 11:05:48 AM
I won 4000, playing live. Never got a very bad streak so far, 7-8 spins without hit at most. TRUE. There may be extreme cases, but then one can play with stoploss at 4 losses in a row to prevet that.
Think it's bad people claiming this strategy won't work when they haven't played it.
I am not a bad man
I do want you to make money, I just think you are a little to eager with roulette, its not an ATM machine
Your attachement "session6" if I am correct you have a 11 spin loser there, and it seems you are not playing the way you say you are
there are L's then nothing then again L's
I have nothing against you, go make money I'll be happy for you
Ignatus, please answear me this
do you play:
A) wheel dozens coming in:
1
2 - trigger to bet 3
1 - L and trigger to bet 3
...
second example:
1
2 - trigger to bet 3
2 - L, no bet as no trigger
1 - trigger to bet 3
or do you play
B) wheel dozens
1
2 - trigger to bet 3
2 - L, bet 3
2 - L bet 3
1 - L bet 3
...
it hit me that I may have gotten it wrong
from what I understand you are playing the B way, but from your sessions I don't know anymore
I think I am not the only one
you can see why we told you 10 L is nothing, it can go bigger, you can have ie
1
2 - trigger bet 3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
3
now that's 15 L's in a row, but playing the A) way it is only a win on step 4
please can you clear this up? thanks
sogget why do you continue with this topic? just curios!
Can't you see that Ignatus have much to learn about the game.
Sogget,
After reading Ignatus first post again i think its this way.
Your 'dozen' string :
1
2 - trigger bet 3
2 L
2 L
2 L -> still betting doz3 but go to 2nd step of progression
2 L
1 L
1 L -> 3th step
1 L
1 L
1 L -> 4th step
2 L
2 L
2 L -> 5th step
2 L
2 L
1 L -> 6th step
3 W on 6th step of progression
Stef
Quote from: Sputnik on February 02, 2013, 09:55:26 AM
sogget why do you continue with this topic? just curios!
Can't you see that Ignatus have much to learn about the game.
Because I don't get it
people say they are winning with this, making money piece of cake so I am curious
He has much to learn yes, but we all do, you can never know all ;)
I just want to test it the proper way
there are periods he doesn't bet so I am a bit lost
@ Stepkevh
that's another way, now I am definitely lost :D
i'll let ignatus clear it all up for us
its not another way :)
This is what he wrote in his very first post
This is how I play it: Wait for trigger doz 1,2 movement then bet doz 3 for 3 spins OR trigger doz 3,2 then bet doz 1 for 3 spins. (this is one session)
Progression +1 progression after 1 session of 3 spins, +1 bet if next session of 3 spins is lost and so on until hit. Progression reset after 2 sessions in a row is won.
I see "Until a hit here", so i suppose i got it right then :)
But i'm curious what Ignatus has to say ...
Stef
This is how I play: Stoploss No bet after four losses: (Wait for a virtual win after four losses). All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
13
31 Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
33 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
27 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
29 W Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
12
9
1 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
13 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
15
1
16
27 Stop
26 Virtual Win Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
20 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
19 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
28 W Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
36 W Trigger 2,3 - bet 1
6 W Trigger 3,1 - bet 2
29
36 W Trigger 1,2 -bet 3
13
8
20
8 Stop
8
4
32
4
3 Virtual win Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
36
17
4 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
33 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
28 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
25 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
20 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
23
10
22 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
17 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
16 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
5
27
25
16 Stop
33
23
13
29 Virtual win Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
23
6 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
25
1 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
17
31 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
24
5
33
2 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
3
13
1 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
30
29 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
9
2 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
16 W
ok, but rayhd63 posted this at the other cc forum, why does he have a nobet signal?
Quote from: soggett on February 02, 2013, 12:44:54 PM
ok, but rayhd63 posted this at the other cc forum, why does he have a nobet signal?
He's playing it another way:
only betting for each trigger once I do not recommend this way of playing, because I've seen long losing streaks playing this way.
Better to use stoploss (after 4 losses) and bet for each trigger until hit.
Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 12:51:26 PM
He's playing it another way: only betting for each trigger once I do not recommend this way of playing, because I've seen long losing streaks playing this way.
Better to use stoploss (after 4 losses) and bet for each trigger until hit.
oh, ok, that clears thins up a bit, thanks
I will try this later today on Dublinbet and will report my results.
Quote from: SamNL on February 02, 2013, 01:04:04 PM
I will try this later today on Dublinbet and will report my results.
Great!
Play on table 1 because I had bad luck on table 2! ;)
Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
This is how I play: Stoploss No bet after four losses: (Wait for a virtual win after four losses). All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)
progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21 - when you are betting 13 numbers the last 3 steps leave you in minus when you win
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
13
31 Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
33 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
27 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
29 W Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
12
9
1 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
13 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
15
1
16
27 Stop
26 Virtual Win Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
20 W Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
19 W Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
28 W Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
36 W Trigger 2,3 - bet 1
6 W Trigger 3,1 - bet 2 - shouldn't here be a bet for 3 as 36 is dozen 2 and 6 is dozen1 ?
29 so a win here?
36 W Trigger 1,2 -bet 3 - here shouldnt we bet dozen 1? 29 is dozen 3 and 36 is dozen 2
13 win here?
8
20
8 Stop
8
4
32
4
3 Virtual win Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
36
17
4 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
33 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
28 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
25 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
20 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
23
10
22 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
17 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
16 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
5
27
25
16 Stop
33
23
13
29 Virtual win Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
23
6 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
25
1 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
17
31 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
24
5
33
2 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
3
13
1 W Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
30
29 W Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
9
2 W Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
16 W
i get this, is it correct?
Quote from: soggett on February 02, 2013, 01:13:27 PM
i get this, is it correct?
Yes, that's correct. Thanks :thumbsup:
Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 01:06:39 PM
Play on table 1 because I had bad luck on table 2! ;)
:footinmouth: C:-)
Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 02:01:31 PM
Yes, that's correct. Thanks :thumbsup:
ok, then take a look a t DB4000 spin file, its on the other forum
in the first 150 spins your system fails, the whole progression with the virtual loss
here are the losing spins
| 15 |
| 22 |
| 15 |
| 19 |
| 21 |
| 31 |
| 22 |
| 15 |
| 36 |
| 36 |
| 19 |
| 0 |
23
@ Drazen
my thoughs exactly ^-^ |
15
22 Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
15
19
21
31 Stop
22
15
36 Virtual win Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
36
19
0
23 Stop
So, progression reach 8th step is not end of the world? progression is 9 steps12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
Another progression that can be useful is the +1 progression, it's very effective and last much longer than ordinary progression. +1 bet until hit. (or one hit within the first 4 spins then reset) or else two hits in sequence (4 spins) before reset.
Principles of this bet are misleading. They must be reviewed and adjusted, otherwise there is no hope.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 02, 2013, 09:10:33 PM
Principles of this bet are misleading. They must be reviewed and adjusted, otherwise there is no hope.
I agree there is no hope using this kind of selection.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 02, 2013, 09:10:33 PM
Principles of this bet are misleading. They must be reviewed and adjusted, otherwise there is no hope.
Why is that so? This whole strategy is based on the very frequent 123-move on livewheels. You haven't seen the pattern or even played it. So your argument is invalid OK
If you want to listen and learn just say so, otherwise keep going...
Cheers
Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 10:23:19 PM
Why is that so? This whole strategy is based on the very frequent 123-move on livewheels. You haven't seen the pattern or even played it. So your argument is invalid OK
Ignatus a question. What is the required bankroll and staking plan for this method. Can you give me some examples please?
I would like to test it for myself. Unlike many who are taking swipes without doing the homework.
Quote from: JohnLegend on February 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Ignatus a question. What is the required bankroll and staking plan for this method. Can you give me some examples please?
I would like to test it for myself. Unlike many who are taking swipes without doing the homework.
You too have a lot to learn about the game.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 02, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
If you want to listen and learn just say so, otherwise keep going...
Cheers
If you want someone to listen and learn....SAY SOMETHING!
The patterns are frequent, but that is for example a chop on an EC too. The point is if you can use the stuff to win. A progression can delay a loss,( I know), but if the selected pattern is not more frequent than it statistical would, a losing streak is just a matter of time. So there is a reason the method can not win for ever, and a reason it can lose heavy. Ignatius you can win for a while, you can win much too, but at a point you will find it has its own flow and flaw. Why are there so many methods? The answer is they are used until the optimistic user get problems using it.
The method as such will not let you win (an important issue) Its is lucky path of the numbers, which can make any method winning, but of course, time will tell, and that is the only predicable we got here. It will come an end to the better outcomes, that's for sure.
There are those saying about the same as I do, and using a similar fallacy them self, many players who temporary has luck using a method has hard to admit the lower value of the method, and the higher value of theire luck. At least you should be aware of the risks and problems before you play real. It is a game of chance, you can win and you can lose, most lose at the end.
I have said this before, and as usual it is not anything which can be said with success, most want to learn the hard way.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 03, 2013, 01:25:58 AM
You too have a lot to learn about the game.
Really, so when does class begin Marigny? The problem with people like you Spike and Gizmo is you think you already know it all.
That's why all three of you will be the first people I will be calling out. To explain how things that don't work, produced outstanding success in July and beyond. I will then hope you have the decency to admit.
Your beliefs on the outcome of trigger based methods and progressions, don't represent a FACTUAL OUTCOME, for this game. They represent YOUR PERSONAL OPINION, CHOICE. In your outlook on the game.
Quote from: JohnLegend on February 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Ignatus a question. What is the required bankroll and staking plan for this method. Can you give me some examples please?
I would like to test it for myself. Unlike many who are taking swipes without doing the homework.
Great :D
Well, I say enough to survive to the end of the progression.
That would be
1*12 + 2*12 + 3*12 + 4*12 + 6*12 + 9*12 + 14*12 + 21*12 = 720 units
Quote from: ignatus on February 03, 2013, 08:47:53 AM
Great :D
Well, I say enough to survive to the end of the progression.
That would be 1*12 + 2*12 + 3*12 + 4*12 + 6*12 + 9*12 + 14*12 + 21*12 = 720 units
Okay thanks Ignatus, it's a heavy progression for newbies. Even seasoned players. But ill test it out. I never dismiss anything until I've tested it for at least 500 games.
Alright, well most hits come within the first 4 spins.
Look forward to your results! :D
Playing with 0.5 chips bet
Progression 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 3, 4.5, 7, 10.5
Units needed 0.5*12 + 0.5*12 + 1*12 + 1.5*12 + 2*12 + 3*12 + 4.5*12 + 7*12 + 10.5*12 = 360
This is my first session playing with real money
+380SEK from this session! (I started out with 360SEK)
I recommend +1 progression playing this: +1 bet Reset only if hit within the first four spins, if hit no after four spins reset progression only after another hit within 4 spins.
Progression: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.....Stoploss after 4 losses (and wait for virtual win)
I must admit this is my first time winning & making profits from roulette!
Update: +662 SEK Real money!
Quote from: ignatus on February 03, 2013, 01:48:16 PM
Update: +662 SEK Real money!
Great stuff no one would like to see you prove the naysayers wrong more than me. Keep it going until you are so far ahead that the odd loss here and there means little. That is all we have to do.
Thanks :P
ignatus
I agree with Jl for once!! If anyone deserves to win, you do.
Sam
I think all of us here deserve to win. It is just getting into that winning routine and then maintaining that discipline to quit when ahead.
cheers
Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
15
22 Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
15
19
21
31 Stop
22
15
36 Virtual win Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
36
19
0
23 Stop
So, progression reach 8th step is not end of the world? progression is 9 steps12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21
Another progression that can be useful is the +1 progression, it's very effective and last much longer than ordinary progression. +1 bet until hit. (or one hit within the first 4 spins then reset) or else two hits in sequence (4 spins) before reset.
do you want me to search further for a loss?
you have progression
1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
and
1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
which is it then? sometimes you say one sometimes the other
if this system gives you any kind of advantage I would like to suggest to you to use +1 on a loss and -2 on a win, reset in plus
what do you think?
found your loss on spin 338
think about +1/-2 progression, it does really well
Looking at the wheel in my lap. Well, a picture..........
Dozen 1 goes clockwise from 0 to 27.
Dozen 2 continues for 12 pockets
Dozen 3 continues for 12 pockets.
So if it hit 1 and then 2 it went a little further. Hoping it will go further and hit 3.
Hear me now and believe me later: Breaking the wheel down into cc and ccw spins would help this immensely. I have software I bought to prove it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 03, 2013, 04:29:06 PM
Looking at the wheel in my lap. Well, a picture..........
Dozen 1 goes clockwise from 0 to 27.
Dozen 2 continues for 12 pockets
Dozen 3 continues for 12 pockets.
So if it hit 1 and then 2 it went a little further. Hoping it will go further and hit 3.
Hear me now and believe me later: Breaking the wheel down into cc and ccw spins would help this immensely. I have software I bought to prove it.
Sam
yep, I agree with you
Quote from: soggett on February 03, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
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think about +1/-2 progression, it does really well[/size]
I have already suggested this progression ( see my test results on the thread ) and it does realy well. In combination with stop after 4 loss may be even better/ safer.
tomorrow i continue to test my actuals
Quote from: peauke on February 03, 2013, 06:28:58 PM
I have already suggested this progression ( see my test results on the thread ) and it does realy well. In combination with stop after 4 loss may be even better/ safer.
tomorrow i continue to test my actuals
sorry, I must have missed it
yes, i ment with stop after 4 loss
so far in 500 spins max bet was 15 units per number (DD was just under 2000 units) so don't think it will be playable but we will see
Quote from: JohnLegend on February 03, 2013, 06:12:33 AM
Really, so when does class begin Marigny? The problem with people like you Spike and Gizmo is you think you already know it all.
That's why all three of you will be the first people I will be calling out. To explain how things that don't work, produced outstanding success in July and beyond. I will then hope you have the decency to admit.
Your beliefs on the outcome of trigger based methods and progressions, don't represent a FACTUAL OUTCOME, for this game. They represent YOUR PERSONAL OPINION, CHOICE. In your outlook on the game.
I do not know what you mean by calling out. I don't think i know it all so i learn, and because i do learn i bet 1:10 that this bet selection can not work as it is. And there your "factual outcome" will actually cost you money.
I sometimes wonder if you are serious on your statements. I openly share knowledge based on verifiable observations and i do not teach... Not only words or empty statements.- Back it up first, then we can talk.
Good Luck.
I read loads of systems presented on forums and i do not nag them, as most of the time the authors have or will arrive at a realistic expectation.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 03, 2013, 10:48:53 PM
I do not know what you mean by calling out. I don't think i know it all so i learn, and because i do learn i bet 1:10 that this bet selection can not work as it is. And there your "factual outcome" will actually cost you money.
I sometimes wonder if you are serious on your statements. I openly share knowledge based on verifiable observations and i do not teach... Not only words or empty statements.- Back it up first, then we can talk.
Good Luck.
I read loads of systems presented on forums and i do not nag them, as most of the time the authors have or will arrive at a realistic expectation.
Well lets wait and see. Ignatus is having good success with it. I say to you as I say to others about my methods. Knowing something can lose, and meeting that loss are two different things.
I am deadly serious no one will take me seriously until July. Not even the guy im paying to verify my challenge. The realization will slowly start to come to him around the end of March. And it will most certainly start registering with you guys by July.
By years end there won't be a right thinking person who doubts me again. Then the ball will be in your court. Those who think 1 plus 1 thinking applies to a players potential to beat this game are in for the wake up call. You don't 100 fold a bankroll with things that don't work.
Now getting back to this thread. Ignatus is putting forward the notion that wheel based dozens have an edge over the layout. It requires alot more BR outlay. But it also returns in proportion to that risk. Im not an expert on this kind of play. But it looks promising from where im standing. Im testing this myself.
@ sogget
Quotetake a look a t DB4000 spin file
Where could I find it ?!?
Could you just give me a brief idea on 1/ -2 progression ?!?
Ray
Half my wingoal for today reached.+1600 SEK! (my wingoal is 1000 SEK/day)
About the +1 progression: After 4 losses in a row, I use to start next session with 5 unit bet. (not more than 5 units) Sometimes I have to start with 5 unit bet several times to get fully recovered and profit
Update testing:
until now i tested 200 sessions (about 8345 spins live casino) total of +13668 units. (see graph and profit/loss per session)
new update when 250 sessions tested :thumbsup:
I haven't tested the method when lose 4 in a row wait Virtual win. Will do this when i complete my 300 sessions.
Quote from: rayhd63 on February 04, 2013, 12:28:10 AM
@ sogget
Where could I find it ?!?
Could you just give me a brief idea on 1/ -2 progression ?!?
Ray
you can find it over at rouletteforum.cc
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10392.0 (http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10392.0)
that's the link
they have been out long before ignatus system so you can't say i modified them ;)
sure thing, a good 1 dozen progression
after every loss you raise 1 unit, after every win you drop down 2 units
playing this way a win in the first 5 steps makes you reset to 1
ie
bet1
L bet 2
L bet 3
L bet 4
W reset to 1
so we lost 1+2+3 = 6
and we won on 4 =8
overall +2
(multiplie with 12 numbers offcourse, this is to make it simple)
now lets say it gets hairy
bet 1
L bet 2
L bet 3
L bet4
L bet 5
L bet 6
L bet 7
W bet 5
W reset
overall +3
so we have 2 wins and 6 losses and we are in plus
a string
LLLLLLWLLLWW leaves you +3 and that is 3 wins out of 12, a 25% hit
so you can have less than expected hit rate for 1 dozen ( 12 numbers is 33% expected hit rate) and still be in profit
just be careful, when it gets a really low hit rate it can have large DD's, but it is still better than the usual progression, at least to me
if this betselection gives any kind of advantage then it should be no problem
Quote from: peauke on February 04, 2013, 08:09:10 AM
Update testing:
until now i tested 200 sessions (about 8345 spins live casino) total of +13668 units. (see graph and profit/loss per session)
new update when 250 sessions tested :thumbsup:
I haven't tested the method when lose 4 in a row wait Virtual win. Will do this when i complete my 300 sessions.
Thanks for testing! :D