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Title: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 22, 2012, 07:20:46 PM
People

Since I learned the G.U.T., I have not found anything that comes close to it in performance.  In the last three sessions, I went from around 60 Euro to 310 Euro at Dublin.  I am not bragging so please, "Sin of Hubris" pass me by.  I am simply saying that--in my lil' ol' opinion--you're going to be hard pressed to find anything better.

I know I had an exceptional three sessions, but this system will produce when played properly.

Here is my question:  Is anyone interested in sitting in my classroom while I teach through videos?  By the very nature of the system, these videos must be long and unedited.  You must learn why each bet is made, not just see the winners like in my ECLIPSE videos.  I may do the video and then do a video of that video with a voice-over so I can pause it and explain fully.  It's tough to explain and get the bets down and get both right. 

You know the "Law of Left-Out Numbers".  They usually hit!!  One or two missed hits can ruin your whole session.  Better to bet two too many than two too few! 

So I'll leave it at that.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to Winkel)
Post by: ewarwoowar on October 22, 2012, 08:10:53 PM
hello Sam, things are a bit quiet here just yet, but i'd be interested in learning the g u t if you can produce the videos.
cheers.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to Winkel)
Post by: Timo on October 22, 2012, 08:41:20 PM
Hi Sam! Sounds interesting.. Ok, I am in.

Regards Timo
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Timo on October 22, 2012, 08:50:01 PM
Hope there will be more "students" than two. COME ON PEOPLE!


Regards Timo
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 22, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
I appreciate the time and energy it will take -- so thank you for being willing to do this..

I'll gladly sit at your feet and learn.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: wannawin on October 22, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
That will be quite appreciated and followers have insurance to have a good run for their time spent on this.

Thank you very much for your efforts. I will follow closely.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Wally Gator on October 23, 2012, 12:28:07 AM
Now's the time, Sam.  Great location and perfect timing .....
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 23, 2012, 12:30:11 AM
esoito

LOL  A comfortable chair will do nicely!

OK, I will set out forthwith to start video one.  I'll try to break it up into three 30 minute sessions.

Sam



Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 23, 2012, 12:12:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=koY33YFcgBA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=koY33YFcgBA)


Guys,

This video is something over two hours long.  Watch it at your own risk.  This was not a good trot, but a perfect trot for teaching.  I wander into some other areas, but not much.

If you think you see a mistake (you may), note the time in and tell me about it.  Same with any questions.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 24, 2012, 03:28:18 AM
Here is an edited video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y7sQwVTC-ig
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 24, 2012, 07:29:44 AM
A quick question:

The black-screen recording software in which you enter the numbers...


Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: VLS on October 24, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: esoito on October 24, 2012, 07:29:44 AM

       
  • If yes, where and how much?

Here and for free: [attachmini=1]

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 24, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Dang, Victor!!

I was goin' make a hunnert off'n that guy!!

:P

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 25, 2012, 07:33:53 AM
esoito

I will be happy to answer anyone's questions.  If they need coaching, I will do it.  I will not run cold numbers, but will show movies of my playing.  This system is not as hard as it seems.  It just requires concentration.

But any references by either myself or Winkel are certainly welcome.

At the moment, I'm trying something new and have fallen below my 315 Eruo mark.  When I recover, I will again make movies.

People who truly want to win money should take a close look at this system.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: bcboilermaker on October 25, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
hi Sam.


i liked your video. thanks
im interested to learn GUT method.


i will be studying the method more in depth next week. since I'm away from  home working at the moment

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 25, 2012, 12:50:15 PM
You're welcome, bc.

Let me know if I can help you.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwisterUK on October 26, 2012, 12:11:19 PM
Im here to learn  :nod:

Thanx E for the heads up
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwisterUK on October 26, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
I have the Tracker now but have no idea how it works so offf to watch the Vid

Thanx Sam  :applause:
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 05:17:01 AM
Broke the 400 Euro barrier today.  At 500, I will start playing for 1.5 Euro.  Playing for 1 Euro now.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 27, 2012, 06:01:24 AM
Nice one, Sam.  Drinks are on you tomorrow!

It's really good to see something like this working so well.

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Trebor on October 27, 2012, 09:10:53 AM
Thanks for this thread TCS.

I don't know if it's mentioned somewhere and I've missed it, but is there a way of deleting the last entry on the tracker?

Trebor
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 11:33:56 AM
Thanks guys.  To delete hit "-2 enter".  You can only delete one number.  Be very careful.  A wrong number up the line can ruin you!

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 12:43:51 PM
You guys should read the thread at VLS about the Dublin server going down.

http://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10487.msg95298#msg95298

You must put every number into Track4 or your results are skewed.  I had to just log off and quit.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Trebor on October 27, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
Thanks TCS,

I've only just started with G.U.T. so I'm practising with BV to give me as much time as I need to decide my next move.

As far as Dublinbet is concerned. I was using it playing a couple of MrJ's methods but got dumped while a bit down and couldn't get back in. I'm staying away until it's sorted. As you say, it's hard enough already.

I've asked them about it. Still waiting for a reply.

Trebor
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Trebor on October 27, 2012, 02:33:42 PM
What a berk I am!  Didn't open my eyes to see the answer as soon as the tracker is opened.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 06:18:35 PM
T

I am a berk, too, sometimes and maybe even a dork!!

But look at this!

Anyone interested?

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Trebor on October 27, 2012, 06:25:27 PM
Well done Sam!

I can already see my main problem is not reading the situation well enough. Even so I my penny balance goes up.

I'm going to re-run your video again. I might ask for some advice if you don't mind.

Trebor
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwisterUK on October 27, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
I watched that 2hr vid Sam and learnt loads, thank you  :nod:

Can I just get a clarification on something ?

What does "crossing" mean in the context you use it ?


Thanks for any advice
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 07:04:31 PM
Twister

18      11
17      12
16      13
15      14

0        1

The numbers above the zero are coming down.  Imagine a graph line going down, like the US economy.  The numbers above the one are going up, like inflation.  If you had a graph, you'd see that they are almost touching.

You bet on the ones.  If you get a hit, here's how it looks

14     15.......   Now see what the graph has done.  The economy went further down and inflation went further up--they crossed.

In my next video, I'll explain further.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 27, 2012, 10:56:43 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 06:18:35 PM

But look at this!

Anyone interested?

Sam

Well done.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Your patience is rewarded. And -- oh mate -- you sure have to be patient with GUT!


Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 27, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
Sam...just a couple of thoughts...



1  HOUSEKEEPING

What about you put your tutorials and videos into a separate, locked thread that only you access?

And keep this one for questions and discussion.

Otherwise the "meaty bits" will be buried and lost amongst all the "noise".

Makes sense, hmmm?



2  A GUT CLICKER

There's a very strong case for commissioning a GUT clicker (as part of a GUT tracker) that would automatically place the chips.

I watched Video #2 (the edited one) and one thing was clear: 

when there were 2 sets of chips to be placed 

versus 

the timer-countdown...

... it was so easy to become confused, inaccurate and muddled.



That IS NOT a criticism -- it's simply an observation based on what was happening in the video and that would DEFINITELY APPLY TO ME AS WELL.  I don't function at all well under pressure!

So if I'm going to use GUT I would definitely be wanting semi-automation of chip placement.


Victor is pretty busy at the moment,  but once he's more available....









Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 28, 2012, 03:25:23 AM
esoito

Perhaps you are right.

Now, tonight I went over 600 Euro after having been down over 100.  I made some videos, but Utube will not accept them.  What I mean is I can't even upload them and they are .wmv files just like all the others.

I'll try again tomorrow.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwisterUK on October 28, 2012, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2012, 07:04:31 PM
Twister

18      11
17      12
16      13
15      14

0        1

The numbers above the zero are coming down.  Imagine a graph line going down, like the US economy.  The numbers above the one are going up, like inflation.  If you had a graph, you'd see that they are almost touching.

You bet on the ones.  If you get a hit, here's how it looks

14     15.......   Now see what the graph has done.  The economy went further down and inflation went further up--they crossed.

In my next video, I'll explain further.

Sam

Thanx Sam, appreciate the clarification  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: VLS on October 28, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
Quote from: esoito on October 27, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
Victor is pretty busy at the moment

Indeed. Local business is thriving which makes me happy in one part; on the other side, it slows things down on the online endeavors.

I would very much prefer to work more online. Let's see if this and HobbyCode can eventually turn the tides :)

Quote from: esoito on October 27, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
but once he's more available....

...I can put it on the queue.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: weddings on October 29, 2012, 03:30:06 PM
watching the edited video now will post if i have any questions Sam!
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 29, 2012, 05:18:21 PM
Please do.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: weddings on October 29, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
Hey TCS if you were to look at the second video I think you got the wrong bets. It is on spin 60 number 18, the triggers are 2 and >2 and 1 and 2. However you bet on the 0 groups instead of 1 am I right to say that?
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: weddings on October 29, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
the same thing happened on spin 67 number 20. you bet group 0 instead of 1.


and at spin 68 number 12. you did not bet on the trigger 1 and 2 which is group 1.


Please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 29, 2012, 08:37:06 PM
Weddings

You are probably right.   I do not have the time to examine it now.

I have to work very hard to not make mistakes.  Mistakes are my undoing.  Even in my office I get very confused and bet wrong.  Sometimes I catch it; sometimes not.

I will get back to you.  Promise.

Sm
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 29, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
weddings

You are so right! 

And you're the only person to ever watch my videos close enough to catch a mistake.

Thanks.

Sm
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: valvo on October 29, 2012, 09:38:30 PM
I'm unable to see the videos at the moment due to moving houses. Was the mistake in your favor and have you played since Your last post?
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 29, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 29, 2012, 08:37:06 PM


I have to work very hard to not make mistakes.  Mistakes are my undoing.  Even in my office I get very confused and bet wrong.  Sometimes I catch it; sometimes not.


Sm

A clicker really would help enormously. It would give you more time to analyse what to do, thereby reduce the chances of missing an opportunity.

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: weddings on October 30, 2012, 06:19:34 AM
yes TCS i got comfortable and watched the whole video just to make sure I got the system right. may I know what's the stop loss and win that you recommend? also will we get more wins then lose over time?
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: topcat888 on October 30, 2012, 06:55:03 AM
Hey Sam ~ Great to see you're on the up..!

I liked GUT alot and got to grips using Track4 a couple of years back, when you were into it before...

Would it be possible to automate it in anyway to avoid the mistakes etc..? I've tried the dgt file of 'GUT for 4 numbers' but that didn't seem to work in the same way (it didn't win at all)

Go careful mate...! Remember, What the lord Roulette giveth with one hand the lord Roulette taketh away with the other..!  >:(

Best of luck to you Sam.!
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on October 30, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
Quote from: topcat888 on October 30, 2012, 06:55:03 AM


Would it be possible to automate it in anyway to avoid the mistakes etc..?


YES. It a CLICKER will do this.

A clicker automatically places chips according to instructions it receives either directly from the player, or from its own internal code.

That's why I've already mentioned the need several times in this thread.

Victor is aware and has added it to his to-do list for once his current contract work has ended.

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 30, 2012, 03:28:02 PM
Didn't have time to see if the mistakes hurt or helped.  I will check later.

Yes, a CLICKER is the way to go.

Remember, crossings will be happening when we're all dead.  Patience is the word of the day.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: stringbeanpc on October 30, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
TwoCatSam,

I just watched Tutorial 1 about GUT and track4. Thank you for posting it.

You mentioned that you were getting tired near the video end. FYI, at spin 59 the winning number was 3, you had entered 30 into the tracker.

Regards,

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: topcat888 on October 30, 2012, 06:02:50 PM
Sam, One question, why is this (GUT) now more successful than before..? I remember you said you had stopped using it before..?

What are you doing differently (if you are) compared to before (the last time you were using GUT)..?
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 30, 2012, 07:46:35 PM
cat

Just as stringbean said, I make mistakes.  One little mistake, like he noted, can throw the whole trot out of synch.

Maybe that's the reason I lose some and win others.

I am truly working to look at everything I do and see what I just did.

I have some form of dsylexia that causes me to see things that aren't there or miss things that are.  I put extra letters in words!  I once ate a restaurant, Cowboy Boots, three times before I learned it was Cowboy Bob's.  Trust me, it is not something I can control.  No matter how hard I try.  I sound like I'm making excuses. 

Will the G.U.T. work long-term.  Truth is, I don't know.  We can all find out together.  I think in the other test the changing of the wheel to a John Huxley Starburst had something to do with it.  It was a wheel like Dublin's and they switched it.  I also think I just started making bets when the wheel was telling me to quit for the day.

It is hard for a man to quit.  We want to stay and fight.  It's in our DNA.  I must literally force myself to log off and quit.  Oh, the times I could have lost 50 E but stayed on to lose 100!!

I am learning to read the wheel.  While the numbers are random, random bunches up--either against you or for you.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Albalaha on October 31, 2012, 07:28:30 AM
G.U.T. is failure in long term. go to download section of vlsroulette and get excel tracker of G.U.T. to check it yourself.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 31, 2012, 02:52:54 PM
While the numbers are random, random bunches up--either against you or for you.


A few nights ago, random bunched up against me.  I stay about 100 Euro longer than I should have.  I saw Sandy on the horizon and did not evacuate.  Last night random bunched up on my side and I hit many crossings, some having only three numbers down.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on November 17, 2012, 08:26:51 AM
Very glad you survived Sandy.

But have you survived her capricious friend, Mr Random?

Or did he maul you quite seriously?

You seem to have gone very quiet about GUT.

[Just my gut feeling...]

Or perhaps the thread has served your purpose and you've flown off to another flower?
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Albalaha on November 17, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
QuoteWhile the numbers are random, random bunches up--either against you or for you


I do not agree with this. Random normally scatters wins and losses, rather than bunching that.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 17, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Quote from: esoito on November 17, 2012, 08:26:51 AM
Very glad you survived Sandy.

But have you survived her capricious friend, Mr Random?

Or did he maul you quite seriously?

You seem to have gone very quiet about GUT.

[Just my gut feeling...]

Or perhaps the thread has served your purpose and you've flown off to another flower?

esoito

That is something I do and probably shouldn't.  Right now I'm trying to learn from FlAtMaN and his 9 v 9.  And, honestly, my bankroll is at an all time low and I could not afford to play the G.U.T.  I am down to a few bets here and there.

albalaha

I notice you taking an objectionable viewpoint on all posts and threads.  In fact, you seem disillusioned with this whole forum already!  My statement is simply that whatever I'm betting on will come in waves of concentration and dispersion.

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: nOrMy2o0o on November 17, 2012, 04:23:33 PM
Quote from: esoito on October 30, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
YES. It a CLICKER will do this.

A clicker automatically places chips according to instructions it receives either directly from the player, or from its own internal code.

That's why I've already mentioned the need several times in this thread.

Victor is aware and has added it to his to-do list for once his current contract work has ended.

Hi Guys,

I have a Clicker e/w Clicker on it's way... gimme one more week to fine-tune
the numbers coordonates recording for any casino,
then i'll put it in norcosoft section for free.

It will look like this:
[attachimg=1]
I will explain more when i release it...

Sam allready tried it and said it's helpful.

Cheers, nOrMy2o0o






Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: wannawin on November 17, 2012, 05:11:17 PM
Bravo! Is there are an estimated date for release to the public?  Do you also attend free requests?

Thank you.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwisterUK on November 17, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 17, 2012, 03:16:20 PM

esoito

That is something I do and probably shouldn't.  Right now I'm trying to learn from FlAtMaN and his 9 v 9.  And, honestly, my bankroll is at an all time low and I could not afford to play the G.U.T.  I am down to a few bets here and there.



Sam

Did  your BR take a hit while playin GUT ? Or were you on PB mate ?

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on November 17, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
A relevant thread: 

http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/one-rule-to-rule-them-all-!!/ (http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/one-rule-to-rule-them-all-!!/)


I've learned to use this Rule often and thoughtfully...LOL
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 18, 2012, 12:51:52 AM
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 17, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
Did your BR take a hit while playin GUT ? Or were you on PB mate ?

Twister

I'd rather not say as I don't want someone to think that I'm blaming them for my loss.  I played with my eyes open and lost.  Random sneaked up on me!!

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on November 18, 2012, 02:10:04 AM
Sam

Would playing in Hit'n'Run mode have helped keep Mr Random at arms length in this instance, d'you think?

Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 18, 2012, 02:30:27 AM
esoito

I think it would have in that I would have quit before losing as much as I did.

Mistakes killed me. 

Sam
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: nOrMy2o0o on November 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Hello all,

GUT Tracker ready...
http://betselection.cc/norcosoft/gut-tracker-ew-clicker-for-european-wheel/ (http://betselection.cc/norcosoft/gut-tracker-ew-clicker-for-european-wheel/)

Cheers, nOrMy2o0o
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: Ralph on November 19, 2012, 08:52:54 PM
Sam!


Methods wear, they work at start, if not you throw them. that's why I do not try on papers, if I think it may be concidered I play.
Instead of have a run on paper showing well, and bust on real money play.  I do some fun play, but just few.


M7 gave me a lot, and after some time I got a loss of 10000 which is much, but less than the winnings before. M7 I  did not throw, I put it in quarantine for a while. Today I run M7 using the bot for many session, all won, some went back 3000 units but all winnings is 6800.


The wheel is hard to beat, and a loss is to be expected sometimes. As we do not risk more than we can afford, it is other things in our life we should be thankful therefore. The luck can/will come back.


Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: esoito on November 19, 2012, 11:49:43 PM
"The luck can/will come back."

Exactly so.

Wins and losses tend to come in clusters. 

Clumping is a common phenomenon found by those that bet on horse races.
Title: Re: The G.U.T. Thread (With all due respect to winkel)
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 20, 2012, 11:04:54 AM
Yeah, esoito, I used to attend the horse races.  Five years straight--every day of the thoroughbred season.

I stepped in one of those "clumps" once!  :nope:

Sam