Quote from: Trebor on March 23, 2013, 05:26:05 PM
Is a repeater always treated the same however many times it's shown up?   That is, if you're betting to get five repeaters in a row, it makes no difference how many times the other four have shown?


Trebor

YES! A reapeater is always treated the same way.

 20-40 spins on average off the top of our heads may not help us, if we do not catch the train .One session may take five spins. Or 85 spins (05.04.2011, table 3).

22.04.2011: No spin from table 3. So I examined only 29 lists from that April. +171 units.
The 119 sessions from the first four months of 2011 in Spielbank Wiesbaden:           +526 units 
As you may remember, monaco went throught the first four months of 1012. Result: +427 units 
I hope that we are able to continue our test series.

01.05.2011. No spin from table 3. So I examined only 30 lists from that May. Result: +235 units. I must have been EXTREMELY LUCKY!
The 149 sessions from the first five months of 2011 in Spielbank Wiesbaden: +761 units 

Dare I ask a question without being called a name??

Well, I've been called names before so here goes...............

Dane

Are you playing strictly "onses"?  Four out of five or five out of six or both?  Are you playing the doubles?  Do you quit the game after the first win.  It does your readers no good if you only post results and fail to post how you got them.

If you find my questions stupid, just don't answer.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 25, 2013, 12:53:13 PM
Dare I ask a question without being called a name??

Well, I've been called names before so here goes...............

Dane

Are you playing strictly "onses"?  Four out of five or five out of six or both?  Are you playing the doubles?  Do you quit the game after the first win.  It does your readers no good if you only post results and fail to post how you got them.

If you find my questions stupid, just don't answer.

Sam

In Reply # 41 you called monaco a gentleman and a scholar.  We are testing the version, he had just described to you. This is why it makes sense to add his results to mine. TIME is still important.  I hope that we´ll be able to continue the test series. Slow and steady wins the race.

Thank you!

Soon the moon is full. It keeps changing like the eyes of a cat. From the table we might not be able to see the natural light and rhytms from the sun and the moon; but I believe  that we are under the influence. I do not intend to reach for the moon - or transcend TIME here. I feel fine and ready to supply you with the test results from table 3, June 2011. No spin came from there  23.06.2011. So I had only 29 hits or sessions.  The duration (number of spins): 89, 13, 13, 25, 15, 19, 22, 13, 11, 25, 52, 26, 18, 19, 31, 21, 31, 28, 60, 44, 22, 15, 25, 32, 17, 62, 30, 31, 26.
Units: -119+34+24+10+20+27+11+32+33-1-34-22+13+20-22+21+24-1-61-8+11+27-3+28+6-28+11-16+16  +53.
In total the first six months included 178 sessions or hits and resulted in +814 units.

Quote from: Dane on March 26, 2013, 07:31:29 AM
Soon the moon is full. It keeps changing like the eyes of a cat. From the table we might not be able to see the natural light and rhytms from the sun and the moon; but I believe  that we are under the influence. I do not intend to reach for the moon - or transcend TIME here. I feel fine and ready to supply you with the test results from table 3, June 2011. No spin came from there  23.06.2011. So I had only 29 hits or sessions.  The duration (number of spins): 89, 13, 13, 25, 15, 19, 22, 13, 11, 25, 52, 26, 18, 19, 31, 21, 31, 28, 60, 44, 22, 15, 25, 32, 17, 62, 30, 31, 26.
Units: -119+34+24+10+20+27+11+32+33-1-34-22+13+20-22+21+24-1-61-8+11+27-3+28+6-28+11-16+16  +53.
In total the first six months included 178 sessions or hits and resulted in +814 units.

very nice results
have you considered having a stop loss of 36 units perhaps? since you go for 1 win only, going over 36 units will put you in minus on a win

Quote from: soggett on March 26, 2013, 07:50:03 AM

very nice results
have you considered having a stop loss of 36 units perhaps? since you go for 1 win only, going over 36 units will put you in minus on a win

Or you might want to consider playing longer sessions

quick test 100 spins
ends +78
4/5 version

Quote from: soggett on March 26, 2013, 08:03:27 AM

Or you might want to consider playing longer sessions

quick test 100 spins
ends +78
4/5 version

Quote from: soggett on March 26, 2013, 07:50:03 AM

very nice results
have you considered having a stop loss of 36 units perhaps? since you go for 1 win only, going over 36 units will put you in minus on a win

Thanks! One quick test does not prove anything. What it going to happen in the long run? I have not got the time to test your ideas.  Anyone with much time and patience: Feel free to start longer test series.

Test results for Jan-June 2012, Wiesbaden, alternating daily between Table 2 & 3, playing four/five:


Jan: +176
Feb: +282
Mar: -2
Apr: -29
May: +155
Jun:  +448


Total: +1030u (178 sessions)




June had only 3 losing days of -3, -21 & -25.




It's useful to look closer at May 2012 also, which was much more variable:
up +200 after 15 days, it then dropped -230 in 3 days, before recovering to +155 by the months end.
The 3 consecutive loss days were -104, -83, -45.

Quote from: monaco on March 26, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
Test results for Jan-June 2012, Wiesbaden, alternating daily between Table 2 & 3, playing four/five:


Jan: +176
Feb: +282
Mar: -2
Apr: -29
May: +155
Jun:  +448


Total: +1030u (178 sessions)




June had only 3 losing days of -3, -21 & -25.




It's useful to look closer at May 2012 also, which was much more variable:
up +200 after 15 days, it then dropped -230 in 3 days, before recovering to +155 by the months end.
The 3 consecutive loss days were -104, -83, -45.

Hi monaco; your results are even more impressive than mine! Yes, it is useful to look closer at  some periods.  We cannot know for sure, however, how many chips we´ll need tomorrow.
The session always starts with the first spin of the day. We do not want to manipulate results  by chossing another starting point.
And I do not want to choose another table whenever I feel like it.  Why are you alternating between table 2&3?

Quote from: Dane on March 26, 2013, 12:22:59 PM
Hi monaco; your results are even more impressive than mine! Yes, it is useful to look closer at  some periods.  We cannot know for sure, however, how many chips we´ll need tomorrow.

More tests bring more interesting data to learn from, & sometimes surprise us   


Looking at some smaller periods can suggest what we may possibly expect in way of drawdowns, & how long we might expect a level period of no noticeable profit or loss to last -
for example, in my results, both March & April were slightly negative, so we can see that we might have 60 consecutive sessions without a noticeable profit, but due to more testing, we might expect it to turn +ve again at some point - giving us the motivation to carry on, even after 60 consecutive sessions where no profit has been obtained.
BUT, I agree, we cannot know how many chips we'll need tomorrow.

QuoteThe session always starts with the first spin of the day. We do not want to manipulate results  by chossing another starting point.

I always start with the first spin of the day, play until a hit, & then move on to the first spin of the next day. All test results are from this.


I start the first day of each month on Table 2 & alternate from then on.
If there are no results from Table 2 on a particular day, I will try Table 3 & vice versa.

QuoteAnd I do not want to choose another table whenever I feel like it.  Why are you alternating between table 2&3?

I like to see results from different sources, to show that it is not the source giving the results, but the strategy itself.
Different tables, different dealers, different dealers on different tables - all just adds to the impartiality of the results.
Perhaps the next 6 months a different casino could be tested.


It doesn't seem to have had an affect on the results so far, as can be seen from the similarity in our tests.

Thanks, monaco! We are both testing in a very systematic way. I stick to the same table (table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden). It should make it easy for likeminded members to verify my results without any doubt.
I look forward to compare results later