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Baccarat Forum / Re: Baccarat
« on: Yesterday at 08:07:07 am »
Ok thanks!

Different approach, still the concept remains the same.


Baccarat Forum / Re: Baccarat
« on: November 10, 2019, 11:13:13 pm »

Say we got this sequence B P B P B P BBB P B P B P B
What are your results?


AsymBacGuy / Re: Why bac could be beatable itlr
« on: November 09, 2019, 10:09:54 pm »
Consider this simple method.

Our plan is to detect when a natural point will come out, no matter which side will be kissed by such natural.
The probability any natural will come out is 34.1%, a slight higher than a dozen will show up at roulette.
Without any doubt, when a natural comes out a symmetrical hand will be formed, meaning that betting banker is a fool option.

At some extent, any natural apparition translates into an idi.ot choice (when wagering B) and a fair situation when wagering P.

Since a 34.1% probability is way higher than a 8.4% probability, we know that a back to back probability is quite more likely even though half considered (as we can't bet both sides).
Naturally there are many levels where a natural could come out, a back to back probability is a zero gap, a natural followed by another different hand is a 1-gap probability and so on.

Differently to roulette, the overall natural probability per any shoe is more restricted as we can't cancel 8s and 9s and zero value cards from the deck.
Especially whether 8s and 9s should be more ore less concentrated on some portions of the deck.
Naturally a perfect 8s/9s pace is out of order for obvious reasons and we still have to fight other less likely card combinations forming a natural.

Same about asym hands.
What we really want when betting Banker is the asym hand production and nothing else.
Everything different from that is a long term EV- move, unless our B bets are able to catch a better than 8.4% probability.
Coincidentally such probability is nearly half of the probability to get a natural on either side.

Instead of guessing which side will win, we should try to focus about those two probabilities, as they are the most likely to produce the actual outcomes. Itlr.


General Discussion / Re: Frank Barstow
« on: November 09, 2019, 09:01:52 pm »
Systems like that are as old as the wheel's invention.
There are times where the repeating process could produce profits and other times where fresh numbers continue to appear for long.

Unless you can spot the situations where the reapeting process is more or less due than expected (biased wheels, software imperfections, etc) all those methods are fruitless.

Sputnik, I wonder why you are wasting time with roulette when you have built powerful ideas to beat a very less disadvantaged and dependent game.

Btw welcome back to Bally, I hope you keep writing here.



AsymBacGuy / Re: Why bac could be beatable itlr
« on: November 06, 2019, 09:56:15 pm »
According to our tests, one of the best tool we can use to know whether a deck is properly shuffled or not is about the "natural" back to back probability.
And of course about the asym probability.

Even though a substantial error occurs for variance issues (less likely card combinations producing the same effect), this is one of the best tool to get a better idea of what's coming out.


I agree, but those tools help the player to lose less and not to win.

To consistently win we have to play a game where we'll get more winning hands than losing hands. Imo, no MM could get the best of it unless it's actioned into an unrandom (beatable) game.

Wagering & Intricacies / Re: Heavy Player, Bet What is Being Presented
« on: November 03, 2019, 03:20:16 am »
So yes, the answer is probably in the middle.  But I still say one has to have an absolute clear mind without desiring or wagering for a scheduled wager on a continous and steady betting cycle of any type.

True and that's why I've found very profitable to get rid of some shoes and to play very few hands. It happened too many times I've lost control of the situation.


AsymBacGuy / Re: Why bac could be beatable itlr
« on: November 02, 2019, 10:19:18 pm »
Attempts made to try to read randomness are totally futile, better to spot the situations where unrandomness could take a substantial role.
And to get a better idea of what a shoe is producing we must think in term of ranges of probability.

Mathematically our best move to get ahead of something into a supposedly random world is to bet everything we want to risk just on one hand. We are still playing an EV- game, of course.
Any move different from that will be the casino's fortune. 
Even if the game isn't perfect randomly produced, best action to take is still trying to get an edge within very short terms and by wagering huge into over selected spots. We want the math to be on our side. Always.

If I'd say that certain rare spots are offering a 70% winning probability nobody would be interested to know how and when those spots can come out. No bac player is willing to register several shoes then betting a hand that yet gets a 30% probability of losing.
Mostly those rare EV+ spots comes out from a possible RTM effect but we know that whether the game is random it's impossible or very very unlikely to transform an EV- game into a profitable game.

I'm deadly sure that certain acute players are playing a kind of game close or equal to a zero negative edge just by wagering very few spots. Technically is to bet P when an asymmetrical hand is huge unlikely, maybe hoping that the actual card distribution favors P side as an additional tool.
Or, most likely, betting a restrict number of B hands knowing that the asym feature will be more likely than expected.

Probability gambling is a game of streaks intended in a wide way, of course we want to play games (baccarat) where each event will be slightly affected by previous situations, especially when we have reasons to think that cards are not properly shuffled.


Wagering & Intricacies / Re: Heavy Player, Bet What is Being Presented
« on: November 02, 2019, 09:28:50 pm »
I agree that riding the positive univocal situations will get the wise player huge profits but how many shoes like the one you've depicted are going to come out on average?

I mean that a betting plan too much oriented to get the unlikely is like playing a kind of lottery.

Of course the answer remains in the middle.


AsymBacGuy / Re: Why bac could be beatable itlr
« on: October 31, 2019, 09:21:04 pm »
In all my experiences, shoes doesn't matter. One must know how to play in good, bad and worst cases as randomness will throw all to us. We can't get a "better than all" bet with any way to pick our bet.

It depends about what we want to assign to the randomness definition.
The fact that most of bac players think that any shoe is randomly produced doesn't mean that it is really randomly formed.
Or, even worse, that some more likely situations (B streaks vs B singles, etc) are more due in humanly considered intervals. 

Randomness takes a primary importance in relation to probability calculus as probability needs pure random propositions to be properly assessed.

Itlr unrandom events will dilute more and more up to the point where infinite unrandom results will converge to supposedly random results.

Therefore imo there's no way we can't limit pure randomness, instead we should find the spots where the unrandomness takes a so huge impact that the negative math edge we have to face is overcome within short terms.

Key word is "collective", a term coined by the best randomness expert of all times.


AsymBacGuy / Re: Why bac could be beatable itlr
« on: October 29, 2019, 10:08:36 am »
I've contacted a couple of peers confirming that CSM shuffled shoes are unbeatable.

Therefore the new thread title is "why bac could be beatable itlr PROVIDING CARDS ARE PLAYED UP TO THE END OF THE SHOE"


Wagering & Intricacies / Re: Monster Banker Shoe
« on: October 28, 2019, 10:07:28 pm »
Still waiting to see those shoes Al!


AsymBacGuy / Re: Why bac could be beatable itlr
« on: October 28, 2019, 10:03:07 pm »
Sorry Lungyeh, I've cleared some of my inappropriate posts, I have nothing against MBS in Singapore or any other casino in the world for that matter.

Back to your question.

Baccarat tables offering continuos shuffling are a totally different beast.

Of course when proper conditions are met, any card game is beatable by definition.
If outcomes are provided by a CSM, the issue is more complicated as any hand is a new hand springing from a fresh deck. Maybe certain card tracking techniques could work.
I suggest to search the CSM topic at Black Jack forums.

Anyway and even though the card removal effect is zero, CSMs still work physically.
We need to collect a lot of CSM data acting on the same deck and then filtering the results by a multiparameter factor. Then to analyze if a kind of substantial unrandomness shows up after a given succession of cards (specific ranks).

My guess is that CSM decks are either totally unbeatable or, less less likely, wonderfully beatable (that is more beatable than normal live shoes).

For sure many bac players like to touch (say destroy) the cards so I do not expect much success from CSM tables.


Albalaha's Exclusive / Re: Safeguard yourself from the worst of variance
« on: October 23, 2019, 09:11:17 pm »
That is the dilemma. You can not win without huge risk if you play all over and triggers suck good opportunities. Rather make a framework for all over play with strategic stop losses.



Albalaha's Exclusive / Re: Safeguard yourself from the worst of variance
« on: October 21, 2019, 08:12:42 pm »
Winning by flat betting is something that I reached somewhere closer but could never conclude as final and playable. If you have a bet that even doesn't win flat but lessens the house edge by half or more, in the long run by clear simulations, it can be the best HG possible with my inputs.

You give me a better bet than all, I give you the best MM approach possible for the long run.

Right now, my MM is almost immune from 99.9% cases and I have even beaten the worst recorded in roulette and baccarat with it, although after a long fight, which is obvious. I do stress upon playing within a reasonable table limit and chips limit too. I believe that merely increasing or decreasing bet is not a way to a correct money management.


Actually in order to minimize the risk of crossing long fights, I think I'm losing some profitable opportunities.


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