Bet Selection: a way to choose betting locations (in any form or shape). A bet selection is a flat bet.

Money Management: is any progressive scheme, defined as not being flat betting. Both positive (up as you win) as well as negative (up as you lose).

System/Method: Is a combination of Bet Selection and Money Management with a win goal, as well as a stop-loss per session.

Strategy: Is a broader concept which implicates elements such as using systems, inter-session money management, recovery modes, unit value modification, lifetime bankroll management and in general a plan for using systems, bet selection and money management schemes as a whole intended to having a shot at winning.

Ivica Boban a.k.a F_LAT_INO passed away three months ago.

GLC's account: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15176

Many of us can attest he was a great fellow indeed. A loss for our community.

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Since you must remember the good times. A thread of Ivica's joyful sharing of pictures and experiences:

http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3377.15

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...May the heavenly ivory ball always rest in your winning number for all the eternity dear Ivica [smiley]msn/red_rose.png[/smiley]

This is the upgrade to the 50% MM, the 75% MM version:

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It can prove itself useful when dealing with "streaky" methods.

The gist of this upgrade keeps on being maximizing unit size when on a positive tram of winning sessions, and minimizing the losses when things aren't going your way.

You may want to check the 50% MM thread for the original discussion:

http://betselection.cc/money-management-103/50-money-management/

Cheers!
Vic

We all know the timeline concept: you place numbers/results as they are spun, one after the other, then create a "line" representing sequential results in a moment in time.

You can generate timelines simply by annotating numbers as they show up, or you can "transform" them into R/B, E/O, L/W or any other notation. The sequential results any the format you choose is your generated timeline.

A curious effect from roulette being an independent-trials game is you can mix different streams of results and you are expected to end-up with the same rough totals. This means you can mix the results from two roulette wheels, one after the other, and you'll end up generating a new timeline comprised by results from both numerical streams, as valid as any of the original two. Should you measure a "tram" of this new timeline you're expected to get (roughly) the same results as you'd get from the same amount of spins using any single roulette.

Select random trams of 37 spins from this newly-formed timeline and you'll notice roughly the same  patterns forming, the same "law of the third", the same amount of repeats as usual.

In here lies a way to make your own betting method a "moving target": by mixing several timelines in real-time, you can pick the one where you see the most favorable conditions.

Expand the concept to three roulette wheels: A, B, C. You will create three timelines: AB, BC, AC.

If you're betting repeats and notice one new timeline sucks and another one rocks, you'll stick to the one rocking. The law of small numbers may give you a chance (remember you can't compete against the law of large numbers, but according to the small numbers one, you have a chance that variance could go your way).

You're entering in a biased tram, generated by yourself but as valid any other bona-fide set of numbers.

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The condition of course being you don't cherry-pick the results before-hand and aren't mixing them on purpose, but rather allow them to "happen".

You can create as many "timelines" as you wish by using bona-fide numbers (even RNG) mixed with those happening in your own game to choose the one that favors your current method the most.

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The corollary: numbers don't matter, only events within a set/tram of a certain size do.

Hello guys,

As you know our forum hosts people from all corners of the world. There are actually some fellows who understand/read the posts thanks to English-based translation sites yet can't produce a reply by themselves.

What do you think about opening a section to help non-English-speaking fellows to communicate in good English?

Of course we don't want to publish "Robotic /Tarzan posts" coming from machine translators directly; this may be a viable workaround for bringing posts from non-native English speakers to the fore.

(all thanks go to lucky_strike. Continued from Part 1):

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As we can observe, if we have a thousand spins taken from a truly random table, without bias, we would hardly find the most spun number having something beyond 15 positives. Likewise, we have a soft limit for the best two numbers, the two which have been spun the most, of +26. If we continue searching for different groups of best numbers, we can center in the sum of the best nine, which have a soft limit of +67. Why the soft limit only? Because the hard limit is too erratic and luck might make a number to fire-up without actually having any bias. It is more trustworthy to work with the soft limit, which occurs 95% of the time, making decisions based on it. These tables are more reliable the larger the numerical group is. Application to a single number being more doubtful than the sum of the best six, where it is harder for luck to interfere in a decisive manner. I make the study only up to the best nine, because if there are ten or more best numbers outside the limit, it tells the table is entirely good, and this is already studied on the first part.

How do these tables complement the previous analysis? It might be the case that a roulette as a whole doesn't goes beyond the soft limit, as we studied at the beginning, but the best four numbers do go beyond. They can be bet without much risk, awaiting to collect more data which defines with a higher accuracy the quality of the current roulette table. When a roulette is truly good, we will likewise reinforce on its quality by proving it does go outside of the limits set on these tables.

Always using simulation tests on the computer, this is, in a experimental non-theoretical way, I studied other secondary limits which assist to complete the analysis of any statistics taken from a roulette. For instance, "how many consecutive numbers, as they are ordered on the wheel, can be throwing positives?", or "How many positives can two consecutive numbers have as a maximum?". I do not show these tables because they are not essential and only confirm BIAS which should have been detected by the tables previously shown. Any way, we will see some practical examples below.

So far the system was based on evidence that -although simulated- was being empirical; these were made with the help of the computer in order to verify the behavior of a random roulette.

I found the limits up to where luck alone could take it, then I was able to effectuate a comparison with real-life statistics from machines which were clearly showing result outside the limits of pure chance, this is, they pointed to trends that would remain throughout its life if their materials would not suffer alterations. These physical abnormalities could be due to pockets of unequal size, however small this inequality, lateral curvatures leaving sunken areas with the counterweight of other raised areas. Or even a different screwing of the walls from the pockets collecting the ball so that a harder wall means more bounce. With the consequent loss of results that are increased in the neighboring pockets which collect these bounced balls with a higher frequency than normal.

On theoretical grounds I studied areas of mathematics unknown to me, in the probability branch, and worked a lot with the concept of variance and standard deviations. They helped me, but I could not apply them correctly given the complexity of roulette, that is more like a coin with 18 sides and 19 crosses bearing different combinatorial situations, which invalidate the study with binomials and similar.

The major theoretical discovery was forwarded to me by a nephew, who was finishing his career in physics. He referred me some problems on the randomness of a six-sided die. To do this they were using a tool called the « chi square », whose formula unraveled -with varying degrees of accuracy- the perfection or defects from each drawn series. How come nobody had applied that to roulette?
I handled myself with absolute certainty in the study of the machines, to which the fleet had already pulled out great performance up to that date, thanks to our experimental analysis, but theoretical confirmation of these analyzes would give me a comforting sense of harmony (In such situations I'm always humming «I giorni dell'arcoballeno»*.

We carefully adapt this formula to this 37-face die and it goes as follows:
The chi square of a random roulette should shed a number close to 35.33. Only 5% of the time (soft limit) a number of 50.96 can be reached -by pure luck- and only 0.01% of the time it will be able to slightly exceed the hard limit of 67.91.
We had to compare these numbers with those from the long calculations to be made on the statistics from the real wheel we were studying. How are these calculations made?

The times the first number has showed minus all tested spins divided by 37, all squared, and divided by the total of analyzed spins divided by 37.

Do not panic. Let's suppose the first number we analyze is the 0, to follow in a clockwise direction with all other roulette numbers. Let's suppose on a thousand spins sample number 0 has come out 30 times:

(30-1000/37) squared and the result divided by (1000/37) = 0.327

The same should be done with the following number, in this case in wheel order, proceeding with 32 and following with all roulette numbers. The total sum of results is the chi square of the table. When compared with the three figures as set out above we will find if this machine has a tendency, more or less marked, or it is a random table instead.

The calculation, done by hand, frightens by its length but using a computer it takes less than a flash.

While in my experimental tests I only watched leader numbers , this chi-square test also has in mind those numbers that come out very little and also unbalance the expected result.
There was a moment of magic when I found that the results of the previous tables were perfectly in accordance with the results that the chi-square test threw.
With all these weapons for proper analysis I did a program from which, finally, we'll see some illustrations:

TOTAL POSITIVE + 127 HIGHER + 24 L1 + 41 L2 + 70 L3 + 94 L4 + 113
LB + 174 A + 353 B + 243 C + 195 NA 4 AG 60 AD 46 N.° P 12 SPINS 10.000
CHI 37,18 50,96 67,91 35,33 DV-7,51 ROULETTE/DAY: RANDOM

*LB = Límite blando = Soft limit.

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In this chart I created throwing 10,000 spins to simulate a random table, we can find all patterns of randomness; this will serve to compare with other real tables we'll see later.

In the bottom of the table, to the left at two columns, there are all European roulette numbers placed on its actual disposition starting at 0 and continuing in clockwise direction (0, 32 15, 19, 4, 21, 2, 25, etc.). We highlighted those which have appeared more, not only based on their probability, which is one time out of 37, but also based on the need to profit, i.e. more than once every 36.
If the average to not lose with any number would be 1.000/36 = 27.77, our 0 has come out forty times; therefore it is on 40, to which we subtract 27.77 = 12.22. Which are its positives, or extra shows; therefore we would have gain. When 20 is – 4 4, 7 8 it is the number of chips lost on the 10,000 spins thrown.

In the first row we find the total positive sum of all the lucky numbers is +127 (the mean of a random table in our first table is +126), away from the soft limit* (*Soft limit = Límite blando = LB), which is at the beginning of the second row, and which for that amount of spins is +174. Next to it is the reference of known biased tables, (All taken from the first table) which shows that even the weakest (table C) with +195 is far from the poor performance which begins to demonstrate that we are in front of a random table where drawn numbers have come out by accident, so it will possibly be others tomorrow.
Returning to the first row we see that our best number has +24 (it is 2) but that the limit for a single number ( L l ) is +41, so it is quite normal that 2 has obtained that amount, which is not significant. If we want to take more into account we are indicated with L2, L3 and L4 the limits of the two, three and four best numbers, as we saw in the second tables (our two best would be 2 and 4 for a total of +42 when their limit should be +70). Nothing at all for this part.

In the middle of the second row NA 4 it means that it is difficult to have over four continuous single numbers bearing positives (we only have two). AG 60 tells us that the sum of positives from continuous numbers is not likely to pass sixty (in our case 0 and 32 make up only +21). AD 46 is a particular case of the sum of the top two adjacent numbers (likewise 0 and 32 do not reach half that limit). After pointing out the amount of numbers with positives (there are 12) and the 10,000 spins studied we move to the next row which opens with the chi square of the table.
In this case 37,18 serves for comparison with the three fixed figures as follow: 50.96 (soft limit of chi), 67.91 (hard limit) and 35.33 which is a normal random table. It is clear again that's what we have.

Follows DV-751 which is the usual disadvantage with these spins each number must accumulate (what the casino wins). Those circa this amount (the case of 3) have come out as the probability of one in 37 dictates, but not the one in 36 required to break even. We conclude with the name given to the table.
From this roulette's expected mediocrity now we move to analyze the best table that we will see in these examples. As all of the following are real tables we played (in this case our friends "the submarines" *) in the same casino and on the same dates. The best, table Four:

(* Note: "Submarines" is the euphemism used by Pelayo to name the hidden players from his team).

TOTAL POSITIVES + 363 HIGHER + 73 L1 + 46 L2 + 78 L3 + 105 L4 + 126
LB + 185 A + 447 B + 299 C + 231 NA 4 AG 66 AD 52 N.° P 13 SPINS 13.093
CHI 129,46 50,96 67,91 35,33 DV-9,83 ROULETTE/DAY: 4-11-7

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What a difference! Here almost everything is out of the limits: the positive (+363) away from the soft limit of 185. The table does not reach A but goes well beyond the category of B. The formidable 129.46 chi, very far from the fixed hard limit of 67.91 gives us absolute mathematical certainty of the very strong trends this machine experience. The magnificent 11 with +73 reaches a much higher limit of a number (L1 46), 11 and 17 break the L2, if we add 3 they break the L3, along with 35 they break the L4 with a whopping +221 to fulminate the L4 (126). It doesn't beat the mark for contiguous numbers with positives (NA 4), because we only have two, but AG 66 is pulverized by the best group: 35 and 3,along with that formed by 17 and 37, as well as the one by 36 and 11. The contiguous numbers that are marked as AD 52 are again beaten by no less than the exact three same groups, showing themselves as very safe. Finally it must be noted that the large negative groups ranging from 30 to 16 and 31 to 7 appear to be the mounds that reject the ball, especially after seeing them in the graph on the same arrangement as found in the wheel.
Playing all positive numbers (perhaps without the 27) we get about 25 positive gain in one thousand played spin (the table is between B and A, with 20 and 30 positives of expectation in each case). It is practically impossible not winning playing these for a thousand spins, which would take a week.

Another question is chip value, depending on the bank we have. My advice: value each chip to a thousandth of the bank. If you have 30,000 euros, 30 euros for each unit. These based on the famous calculations of "Ruin theory" precisely to avoid ruining during a rough patch.

Another interesting table for us, the Seven:

TOTAL POSITIVES + 294 HIGHER + 83 L1 + 56 L2 + 94 L3 + 126 L4 + 151
LB + 198 A + 713 B + 452 C + 325 NA 4 AG 77 AD 62 N.° P 13 SPINS 21.602
CHI 77,48 50,96 67,91 35,33 DV-16,22 ROULETTE/DAY: 7-9-3

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This table seven, with many spins, is out of bounds in positives and chi, but the quality is less than C. It has, however, a large area ranging from 20 to 18 having almost +200 by itself, that breaks all NA, AG and AD, which while being secondary measures have value here. No doubt there's something, especially when compared with the lousy zone it is faced with from 4 to 34 (I wouldn't save the 21). Here should be a "downhill area" which is detected in this almost radiography. The slope seems to end at the magnificent 31. Also add the 26. Finally, a typical roulette worth less than average but more than B and C which is out of bounds with three well defined areas that give a great tranquility since even as it doesn't has excessive quality, with many balls it becomes very safe.

Table Eight:

TOTAL POSITIVES + 466 HIGHER + 107 L1 + 59 L2 + 99 L3 + 134 L4 + 161
LB + 200 A + 839 B + 526 C + 372 NA 4 AG 83 AD 73 N.° P 14 SPINS 25.645
CHI 155,71 50,96 67,91 35,33 DV-19,26 ROULETTE/DAY: 8-12-7

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It is the first time that we publish these authentic soul radiographies of roulette. My furthest desire is not to encourage anyone who, misunderstanding this annex, plays happily the hot numbers on a roulette as seen out while dining. That's not significant and I certainly do not look forward to increase the profits of the casinos with players who believe they are practicing a foolproof system. It takes many spins to be sure of the advantage of some numbers. Do no play before.
Be vigilant when you find a gem to detect they do not touch or modify it in part or its entirety. If this happens (which is illegal but no one prevents it), your have to re-study it as if it were a new one.
Regardless of how much advantage you have (and these roulette tables are around 6% advantage, ie, more than double the 2.7% theoretical advantage of the casino) it does not hurt that luck helps. I wish so to you.

Scrape numbers from roulette game marquee to file:

http://betsoftware.cc/tutorials/scrape-roulette-game-numbers-to-file/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x11xZ0zE9Cs

Hello dear fellows, I've thought long about what is the best course of action for the turn to the second-half of this decade in order to avoid repeating previous mistakes and with the overall goal of separating us from being "yet another gambling forum" (with its negative traits) to getting us to focus in being an actual "Bet Selection" board to honor our name and create our own positive flavor. These are the results.

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As BetSelection.cc is financed by BetSoftware.cc it becomes part of its operation.

BetSoftware is focused in software, BetSelection gets to be focused in studying & analyzing systems.

We get to enforce a "Be Nice" policy to cut every message that doesn't abide to it.

This will make us a much-hated board for every troll, the "freedom of speech for whatever I want to say" folks, hinters, as well as those who are "mixed" posters, being productive today and troublesome the next day, in an endless loop/cycle.

We can certainly do good to outsource all of the bickering, personal arguments and recurrent nasties elsewhere and stick to delivering a great experience to the fine fellows who end up enjoying our flavor for focused discussion and testing here.

This change in focus gets to be powered by a new custom web engine.

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2015 gets devoted to developing this new web engine, one little bit at a time, with the overall plan for the year being this:

The forum gets split in independent sub-forums, one for each game, featuring only three (3) sections: Bet Selection, Money Management and Systems.

This allows us to confine the system selling ads to the roulette forum and the roulette forum alone, which enables us to appeal to audiences such as Poker, Blackjack, and others which wouldn't ever like to participate in a forum featuring those the ads in their messages.

Alongside, a system-testing rig, where users submit posted system and created BetSoftware modules are used to test them on a daily basis, generating open stats for them to act as a way for attracting more activity to the focused discussion. Also, a hosted betting server for real-time gaming with chat as a hang-out place for our users.

Our ultimate goal for 2015 is to become an actual bet selection board, with focused gambling study, complementary to our BetSoftware web, being self-sufficient, enjoying our custom web engine with bleeding-edge features to deliver a great experience to those who want to discuss, test, play in group and in general enjoy our very own flavor.

The fellows who have the right productive profile sure are getting to be pleased to the maximum and stay with us for the long run in a higher octave.

Hi guys, I took work from two mid-size local companies which amount in hours to 12+ six days a week (up to almost 16 at times), so I'm officially beaten until 20th-22th when I finish one of them.

Hey! none is officially "exploiting me" since none is giving me more than a regular work hours load, but combined I'm squeezed .( the word for IT guys' real life over here LoL).

...My off-line life permeates my virtual world, can't do anything about it.

I'm currently in no position to say "no" locally until I'm able to derive enough from my online activities; at least a part-time salary from home There's a good chance BetSoftware gets to that sooner than later, but in the interim I must take what I have to take.

Of course, the wife's happy since there's a good financial compensation and I'm willing to do the extra mile for the family, but I'm physically exhausted. I get home and don't want to even look at the computer.

This is just another "patch" for the online road, but a happy one locally since I'm actually over-employed which is always better than "un-".

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Regarding "moderation enhanced" for 2015, the core idea is we put all rule breakers in pre-moderation for a week as an immediate action before things escalate to foster peace at all times.

If they choose to continue poor behavior after coming back, a poll for a one-month mute is triggered.

If after this they still aren't willing to maintain peace, then a poll for a one-year mute is triggered. This should be enough prospect of a consequence to be a deterrent.

Most people wouldn't go further than pre-moderation but still the system gives enough to rule abusers to think twice before triggering polls.

The community part: any member can ask for another member to be moderated with valid arguments (This and polling mechanism is what needs fine-tuning before being implemented, but by preventing conflict before things escalate, we are headed to a certainly peaceful forum).

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So, I'm fully back this month. There's actually code to release at the BetSoftware site so I'm going to focus more over there to bring my part-time online job closer to a reality to be able to attend both sites dearly.

It's all part of our bigger-picture plan

Cheers!
Vic

Have our best wishes for a bright and happy new year 2015 for you and yours.

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Victor & Family

May you and your families have a nice, prosperous time this Christmas.

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Victor & Family

(Attaching this image was inspired by a fellow member who reminded us about the true meaning of Christmas)

From a fellow forum member in Monte Carlo:

"It's very pretty and the lights change colors."

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Thanks to the fellow member for sharing this with a special group of people who values it!

...May we all have our Merry Gambling Holidays!

Cheers!
Vic

Originally a personal response, worth sharing to reassure things are better for us.

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Quote from: Albalaha on December 10, 2014, 03:07:10 AMI am glad that Victor, our admin here, have carried the forum with the co-operation from all of us despite not earning a penny from this place and hopefully the forum will continue forever like this.

Dear Sumit, there isn't a "BetSelection server" maintenance right now hence there isn't any further need for funding for BetSelection to remain online as usual. This site is piggybacking on BetSoftware.cc's server already, therefore betselection has a guaranteed existence as long as there is an active BetSoftware.cc with subscribers and operating to fulfill the world's gambling coding needs (i.e. presumably forever).

There will always be people studying gambling systems. There will always be a need to have software for such study and of course a demand for automation.

From an objective point of view, an active gambling software site selling related software services has a more solid financial prospect.

BetSelection as a community has various reasons to continue to exist without ever having to bring any dime to the table, for instance:

Being a place for members to post systems they want coded. BetSoftware.cc is focused on software discussion only, system discussion can happen here as usual.

Funneling visitors to BetSoftware.cc. Google and the other search engines pick text/content. A software site has lesser actual content, so this site becomes a part of BetSoftware's operation in the search engine field.

Having an active community where to test coded features.

This last point is becoming more relevant since there are plans for a technology site offering hosted home-grown web services. There's no better advertising for such services than featuring an active online community running on them smoothly.

The future for BetSelection.cc is more solid today than it ever was

We have a business model where BetSelection fits as a passive yet important player. There's simply no valid objective reason to shut our community down; it doesn't represent any burden by now, it is complementary to BetSofware's operation as a place for users to post systems to code, it is also going to assist the technology site down the road for showcasing our 'wares. It is earning its rooftop and place, even without having a direct financial need or goal involved.

Long live our BetSelection space & community!

Vic

We all know what a Zone 4 is. Four consecutive numbers spun on the wheel.

Super zone 4 is the same concept extended to any number of pockets in between.

In 0/1 notation:

1111
1010101
1001001001

The floating square concept is simple. We also know the concept of a regular square or 4-number corner, one next to the other. The floating variation simply makes the corner have any number of spaces in between. As long as they make a quadrilateral on the felt.

Let's illustrate with numbers submitted by RouletteFan on previous thread:

http://betselection.cc/street-107/(cycle-pairing)-street-wheel-zone-4-street-felt-squares/

This principle for time-line players is based on tracking all possible time-lines, according to the betting locations number or cycle.

Succession tracking is just that. Tracking time-lines one after the other. It's quite simple:

- If there are 3 betting locations then you track the succession of 3 time-lines:

Say you are tracking the event "Hit on dominant dozen from last 3 spins".

There are 3 dozens/betting locations (a cycle of three).

They make the following 3 time-lines to be tracked:

Prev tracked spins / Entered spin
1-3 / 4
2-4 / 5
3-5 / 6

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This is suitable for software tracking. The more locations, the more time-lines to track.

The most positive aspect is it gives your tracked event the whole picture of what would happen should you had started one "spin before or one spin after".

You have all possible choices covered and of course are able to switch freely.

At times it is a matter of being off one or two spins to turn the exact current bet selection from a losing one to a winning one. This gives you "eyes" to see the whole picture for successive cycles and adjust.

Vic

Server move is complete. We're officially hosted on BetSoftware.cc's server at no cost, so no more hosting pledges for us here

As long as there's an active and profitable BetSoftware.cc site we're granted an sponsored existence for our BetSelection group too.

Now, this brings us to priorities. Top priority right now is to launch BetSoftware's services. Two new moderators have been appointed to cover for the new focus demanded by my new “job” as a full-time BetSoftware coder (or -better expressed- they are returning to the moderating crew):

• Mr J.
• Bayes.

You all know them so there's no need for introductions to be made  They both are very proficient moderators. We are very fortunate to have them here to assist our beloved board.

We're heading towards a 2015 of success! One addition at a time... or -in this case- two

Cheers!
Vic

Hello guys, the paypal support button has been removed to leave behind the polemic community support model we've been running our site with.

We're preparing a new software-oriented site at BetSoftware.cc with a clear goal of both offering free & open-source programs to our community as well as selling related software services (i.e. automatic updates, early-version previews, others) with the purpose of being self-sufficient.

Hopefully with this clear separation of concerns, and the bonus of a paid server thanks to BetSoftware, we can enjoy a healthier, controversy-free community here at our gambling discussion space.

We continue to move forward and consolidate.

Fellows. Let's try to be gentler when addressing fellow members. Words convey messages; there are better and not-so-better ways to broadcast our what we want to communicate.

Let's avoid accusing each other when we don't know the whole picture. It is better to simply ask for the unclear facts rather than making assumptions, and then acting based on them.

For instance, member Alrelax is being quite generous with his offer, we ARE grateful to him and cheer on his support; now, there has been a “hiccup” due to normal banking delays; it is solved by now. This isn't ground to make conjectures.

On my side I myself am trying to create a virtuous cycle of free software to the community at large with a non-competing forum (BetSoftware.cc), with the added benefit of moving the support to it, so BetSelection is once and for all clear from the "donations stigma", to bear a fruitful forum away from financial considerations thanks to BetSoftware.

There's no big conspiracy here.

We are *all* simply trying to give a little for our common good.

...There's no "gambling players industry" per se, we are all building it as we go along, so let's get along. We are here to stay, it's better to have a nice & enjoyable ride together.

Remember: the "gambling forum scene" is you.

Cheers!
Vic

Ok, here's my idea for a software-oriented forum:

- A forum-neutral zone.

- No method publishing allowed. Methods must be pointed to as they appear in other forums / websites.

- Main focus is code, leaving all "forum politics" behind. We don't allow "carry-overs" for arguments from other forums into this one. A very clear policy: if it's of a personal nature, both sides of the argument get erased.

- No links in signatures; including -of course- abidance by myself and other forum staff members, in order to show we're truly forum-neutral.

- Having the following sections for software coding:
   - Public (any member can post at no cost)
   - Private (for paid coders to attend their users)
   - "Bounty coding" (for members who want to donate a public feature and are willing to offer a bounty for it)
   - Subscribers (those are specifically for me to take).

- The actual content of the forum being programming tutorials/ lessons, the internals of our software explained, as well as other related discussion such as operating systems, new technology... Actual software discussion instead of systems discussion.

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What could we achieve with this?

This model facilitates BetSoftware adoption without disrupting the flow at other websites. Members from other websites can link to us with their mind at ease they aren't taking discussion from their favorite place. Since BetSoftware is free and open source, it can transverse other forums seamlessly, gathering coders using disparate technologies who agree on the platform to work together.

Most importantly, it allows us not to be attached/pegged to any other forum in particular, hence we show we do not participate in "forum wars"; if any, it demonstrates we participate in "forum fomenting", since method tweaks and new ideas must be posted in the member's favorite website or forum board of choice, hence we actively foment member activity over there.

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What's in it?

To me as admin: I can streamline my software efforts efficiently.

To us as BetSelection website: We can be hosted on the software forum's server for its life at no extra cost to us here.

To the community at large: Enjoying a neutral place where there is only genuine interest in fostering our common software development. Since it's free and open source, it's there for the taking for everyone to enjoy; once a program is published with editable sources it can't be taken back. The whole community wins with every release.

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This thread is for gathering some feedback here. It can be a reality as soon as this month.

Thanks to our heroes for Sep-Oct:

PP, AD, KS, AF, MP, RF, SF, PM, BO, GL, NC.

After last month's episode when we were at the brink of a blackout, we can be happy to say several fellow caring members have stepped-in to hit the button and gave their support to our community.

Thanks to them we could pay the "troublesome $30" from last month and -thankfully- have also covered this month too.

They are true caring heroes. We're all are necessarily grateful for their kindness. Their effort is certainly a motive of happiness to the staff and members alike; our supportive fellows are the pillars where our community stands.

Thank you very much guys. Your effort was a vital part for us to continue to live long and prosper, fostering a caring community; you've set the example.

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Hello dear RTB,

Here's an offering for you to have a section in our community software's boards for kick-starting your software initiative.

This way you can start offering early-releases to our members for getting feedback, begin advertising your announcements and -in general- start with an audience of an already-registered members base.

Rest assured: unlike the feisty atmosphere some would want coders to have to foster division and fierce competition, here we're first in line to extend our assisting hands when there's something beneficial for the community.

Your software initiative can certainly bring something positive. We would be honored to host the initial pages for setting your brand.

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Cheers!
Vic

Folks, what are the popular Excel sheets used around?

Our BetSoftware has full support for generating ExcelBot modules. Now it's time to expand to other excel-based formats.

If possible, kindly comment about the actual excel spreadsheets you use regularly.

Thanks.

Our "Forum Baby" turned two (2) years old.

It is a great time to bring an aura of positivity and creative participation to our board.

Let's take the opportunity to use this thread to make those announcements that make our community a better and more fertile space for productive discussion.

Happy Birthday BetSelection!!

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Hi guys,

I'm building our free GUT tracker and need some help to understand the "Canonical" GUT methodology.

Goal is to have exactly what a regular user would expect from something labeled as tracking the GUT.

In your own words, how would you describe the GUT methodology.?

Thank you!

We continue advancing.
This is one of the release candidate versions for your enjoyment:

100% FREE Download page: http://betselection.cc/download/

Instructions:

1) Unzip.
2) Run BetSoftware_Loader.exe

...You can guide yourself on usage by following this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84te4sVxTto

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- Excel sheets to module.