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[Bayes]

What's to stop an RNG casino like BV from sending you a bad string of results in advance if they see you are playing the same system every day for big stakes. Just the fact that they could (not saying they would) would be enough to put doubts in my mind.

They could do that, but first they have to figure out exactly what system you're playing in order to send you the bad results. I personally don't think they would do it, not because I particularly trust them but because even if they had some kind of "system cracker" software (which would be expensive to code) it would still be a gamble on their part. If you're feeling paranoid just mix up the systems randomly as Sam suggests.

[Bally6354]

I was once watching a guy play one of these and he was shaking the machine thinking he could land the virtual ball into the pocket he wanted. (I kid you not)

OMG!
That's hilarious but also pretty sad. 

[Bayes]

Hey Bally,

Sorry!! I accidentally clicked "modify" instead of "quote" so I deleted some of your last post. 

I'll have to watch that, I've done it before on the other forum. I seem to be dyslexic with these buttons.

[JohnLegend]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 25/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 164

TOTAL GAMES WON 148

TOTAL GAMES LOST 16

STRIKERATE 9.25/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37



Hi Guys, these are my results for my Playtech live games. I had a run of 22 wins just before my double loss. The double loss hurt even more as i had increased my bet to recover from the first loss.
Strikerate is at 9.25/1 and i am still in profit.

Go easy on the follow up Bet Shogun. I never use more than treble stakes normally.

I know you had that nice streak of 37 wins early on aswell Shogun. So you can put together decent streaks. So when the losses come. How many are you getting together gap wise? I think some clever money management could really help to protect those nice winning runs.

Lets understand the most expensive step of the progression is the third step. Since Twister let it be known he was only betting on the 2nd and 3rd steps of the progression. I have seen some real value in doing this.

Okay you will sometimes miss winning opportunities. BUT, if youve won 22 times. Instead of giving 7 or 14 of those points back quickly. It would make sense to only give 3 or 6 back. I may employ this kind of money management on BV.

Then after a few losses go back to the three step for the next 10 games. And you may collect additional points in the meantime too.


I did an experiment on the Aphrodite table a few years ago for example. Where I only played one game a day on it for a 100 days. My strikerate was 95/5 over those hundred days. I had a winning streak of 44 for HIGH LOW at one point.

When I play 10---15 a day I can't get that strikerate. If we realize with this method less is more. and work at increasing the value of units we will go further.

[JohnLegend]

I was once watching a guy play one of these and he was shaking the machine thinking he could land the virtual ball into the pocket he wanted. (I kid you not)

OMG!
That's hilarious but also pretty sad. 

Gawd yes, I've seen similar madness Bally.

Like a Chinese guy who threatened to blow up the betting shop if he didn't get his 2,000 plus quid back.

He believed one of the cashiers had some  device under the counter, to make sure whenever he bet big he would lose. 

[esoito]

"He believed one of the cashiers had some  device under the counter, to make sure whenever he bet big he would lose."

Yep. I make them. PM me for today's special price. 

[Dino246]

Interesting to note the name of those machines in the bookies.....FIXED betting terminals !!

Please ALL stay away from them if your new to this great game of roulette.

Fbt's are not roulette their Mickey Mouse.

[bcboilermaker]

Im done with betvoyager!


Two double losses in two days.
Just had a double loss on only my second game of the day.


the double losses with bad string of single losses without a recovery bet , pretty much wiped out my BR.

[subby]

Did you have a 20 times total loss as your bankroll?

PB a loss is 7 units so you should have a 140 (units being played) BR to play the units you were playin. A pile of losses in a row can get you so you need 20 times a loss to keep the head straight and not chase a loss

[JohnLegend]

Im done with betvoyager!


Two double losses in two days.
Just had a double loss on only my second game of the day.


the double losses with bad string of single losses without a recovery bet , pretty much wiped out my BR.

Bc your experience on BV and Shoguns yesterday are not doing my confidence alot of good.


Especially as I know you were both betting decent money. How much were you STAKING??

If this continues to be the pattern. After I grind my way to 400 euro. I might suggest to Superman that we change to a LIVE table I totally trust. If he wants to make the big bucks.

[Bally6354]

Interesting to note the name of those machines in the bookies.....FIXED betting terminals !!

Please ALL stay away from them if your new to this great game of roulette.

Fbt's are not roulette their Mickey Mouse.

I agree with you Dino that it's not really roulette but I don't think the machines are fixed to pay out less than the stated odds.

It is more a case of players getting sucked into them. You can't sit out spins and you can turn over your money far quicker than playing on a real wheel in a live casino.

Add that up along with insufficient capital, chasing losses etc.. and you really do have a recipe for disaster.

[malcop]

I used to play on BV a lot, after a people saying it is one of the bet RNG casinos out there, but I do not now and do not intend to any-time soon, I have tried lots of different methods/systems, playing roulette and baccarat, even when you think you are doing well, it always comes to the same point, when no matter what you seem to do your method/system keeps on losing, it is almost like you are being sucked in.


I would then go back to live play and the method/system performs a lot better, please do not get me wrong, I know you can play a method/system on live and have lots of good sessions, then followed by a lot of losing ones, but I am 100% sure it happens a lot more if I play on RNG.


Are they cheating I don't know, but answer this why is it when you are blocked on playing live dealers on sites such as William Hill, they recommend you play on their RNG platforms.


They obviously think you have no long-term chance of coming out ahead playing RNG.


I think playing any type of RNG game is no better than playing the slot machines, and can't understand why anyone would want to play RNG for serious money.


Thanks


malcop

[Bally6354]

Are they cheating I don't know, but answer this why is it when you are blocked on playing live dealers on sites such as William Hill, they recommend you play on their RNG platforms.


They obviously think you have no long-term chance of coming out ahead playing RNG


malcop

The good thing there is that they are virtually admitting that live roulette can be beat. This news is coming from the casino and not some system scammer. That is 100% great news.

My opinion is that RNG is somehow capable of producing longer periods of randomness which is hard for a player to get to grips with. I do believe in the 'cause and effect' principle that applies to live roulette and maybe an experienced player can tune into that.

Maybe it's not so easy to tune into a bunch of RNG gobleygook 

That's my theory for now anyhow.

[malcop]

You will get a lot of people that says there is no difference between RNG and Live play, and they will be able to back up their claims with lots of stats and figures, but I believe there is more to gambling than just statistics, if it was as simple as that we would have quite a few very rich number crunchers gamblers about.

[Ralph]

You will get a lot of people that says there is no difference between RNG and Live play, and they will be able to back up their claims with lots of stats and figures, but I believe there is more to gambling than just statistics, if it was as simple as that we would have quite a few very rich number crunchers gamblers about.

There  are more to gambling than statistic, probably rigth, but a fair wheel live or RNG is not at all different.
Nobody have given a decent proof, nobody can after seen a serie of number can point out which is RNG or live.